# Almost one in three of Republicans say violence may be necessary to ‘save’ US **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 1, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652 "2021-11-01T20:34:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/1 "2021-11-01T20:34:35Z")
this is headline is somewhat disturbing but sadly not surprising [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/ar-AAQbNHY?ocid=SK2DDHP&li=BBnb7Kz](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/ar-AAQbNHY?ocid=SK2DDHP&li=BBnb7Kz) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/2 "2021-11-01T22:30:35Z")
Yeah, necessary to save us from them. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/3 "2021-11-02T01:03:57Z")
I can’t imagine that many fewer democrats would answer the same way. (Can’t read the article to see if that was mentioned, probably a problem on my end.) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/4 "2021-11-02T01:14:22Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > I can’t imagine that many fewer democrats would answer the same way. (Can’t read the article to see if that was mentioned, probably a problem on my end.) _“11% of Democrats and 17% of independents agreeing with the statement.”_ ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/5 "2021-11-02T01:16:07Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > _“11% of Democrats and 17% of independents agreeing with the statement.”_  That’s a lot less than I would have thought. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/6 "2021-11-02T01:32:10Z")
Maybe it is time to dispose that “Both sides are basically the same” canard. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/7 "2021-11-02T03:19:29Z")
Much like “Elizabeth from Knoxville”, the number falls sharply with the realisation of being themselves who are on the receiving end of violence to “save” the Republic. Of course, such self-awareness of civics isn’t a broadly understood concept. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/8 "2021-11-02T06:42:37Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > (Can’t read the article to see if that was mentioned, probably a problem on my end.) @GreysonCarlisle maybe one of these links works for you? > **['Alarming finding': 30 percent of Republicans say violence may be needed to...](https://news.yahoo.com/prri-poll-republicans-violence-040144322.html)** > > Almost one-third of Republicans say they think violence may be necessary to solve the problems facing the United States, according to a new national survey by the non-profit Public Religion Research Institute. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/republicans-are-increasingly-ready-for-violence-we-look-away-at-our-peril/ar-AAMT8Tr](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/republicans-are-increasingly-ready-for-violence-we-look-away-at-our-peril/ar-AAMT8Tr) ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/9 "2021-11-02T07:03:21Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > Much like “Elizabeth from Knoxville”, the number falls sharply with the realisation of being themselves who are on the receiving end of violence to “save” the Republic. “Everybody has a plan until they get hit in the mouth.” ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/10 "2021-11-02T10:47:49Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > “11% of Democrats and 17% of independents agreeing with the statement.” > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Maybe it is time to dispose that “Both sides are basically the same” canard. Because 11 + 17 makes only 28% of Dems and Independent voters who agree with violence… But the Pubbies have 30% . Yes, that\s a big difference. So if we trust\* the accuracy of the poll,: We have 28 + 30 equals 58% of the population who don’t believe in democracy. Nothing to worry about here. 🙂 (\* which I don’t) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/11 "2021-11-02T10:56:13Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > > > “11% of Democrats and 17% of independents agreeing with the statement.” > > > [@Czarcasm](#): > > > > Maybe it is time to dispose that “Both sides are basically the same” canard. > > Because 11 + 17 makes only 28% of Dems and Independent voters who agree with violence… > But the Pubbies have 30% . > Yes, that\s a big difference. > > So if we trust\* the accuracy of the poll,: > We have 28 + 30 equals 58% of the population who don’t believe in democracy. > Nothing to worry about here. 🙂 That’s . . . not how math works. By your logic, if 50% of Republicans and 50% of Democrats and 50% of Independents agreed with this, you’d have to say that — 150% of the population was okay with it? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/12 "2021-11-02T11:10:13Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > We have 28 + 30 equals 58% of the population who don’t believe in democracy. Don’t worry. On the “disagree” side of the poll, we know 89% of Dems, 83% of Independents & 70% of Republicans are opposed to such violence. So that adds up to 242% of the population who _do_ believe in democracy. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/13 "2021-11-02T11:29:01Z")
Gee thanks, folks! Sorry for the stupid post. Brains are allowed to fart once in a while, aren’t they? Besides, I kinda like the idea of polls adding up to both 150%and 242% of the population. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/14 "2021-11-02T11:49:22Z")
I think the other math problem is that you responded to @Czarcasm’s post about “both sides”, but you included both Democrats and independents in your calculation, which adds up to three sides. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/15 "2021-11-02T12:29:06Z")
If you’ll allow that the State is maintained by the threat of violence\* and that the BLM protests (portrayed as America under siege by RW media) was protest against that menace, then it only stands to reason that the threat and application of state violence needs to be increased, and augmented by patriotic citizens of the state. Young Kyle Rittenhouse, addled of brain and pimpled of face, is this POV come alive, as is a sitting Wisconsin State judge disallowing his victims to be called “victims.” \*I think the State is maintained by schlubs like us who drag ourselves out of bed each day to do our jobs and pay our bills, but that POV lacks the high dudgeon, the tactical swagger, the cool courage under fire against evil-doers both nefarious and marauding. ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/16 "2021-11-02T12:59:01Z")
Perhaps this is the thread to share this news I received this morning: > **[Study: Most white evangelicals don't want to live in a religiously diverse...](https://religionnews.com/2021/11/01/study-most-white-evangelicals-dont-want-to-live-in-a-religiously-diverse-country/)** > > (RNS) — The new American Values Survey from PRRI also shows that 60% of white evangelicals believe the 2020 presidential election was stolen. No other religious group comes close. And a link in the first article led to this one which I found more compelling: > **[Poll: Most Americans support church-state separation; Christian nationalists...](https://religionnews.com/2021/10/28/poll-most-americans-support-church-state-separation/)** > > (RNS) — Americans also support some intermingling of church and state. Three in 10 said public school teachers should be allowed to lead students in Christian prayers, and 4 in 10 said it’s OK to put up Christian symbols in the public... ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/17 "2021-11-02T16:56:36Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > > > (Can’t read the article to see if that was mentioned, probably a problem on my end.) > > @GreysonCarlisle maybe one of these links works for you? Yeah, they worked. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/18 "2021-11-02T17:27:22Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > pimpled of face Mod note: Please keep such irrelevant remarks out of your posts. “Addled of brain” is relevant (and doubtless true). ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/19 "2021-11-02T20:23:04Z")
There’s a _ **LOT** _ more interesting stuff in that study than whether or not 30% of Republicans think that violence may be necessary to rescue the US. ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652/20 "2021-11-02T21:00:06Z")
On January 6th, 5 people died. 4 of them Trump supporters. 4 of them died of medical issues unrelated to the riot. The only actual homicide was when a cop killed a Trump supporter. The Antifa riots killed at least 30 people directly. Every city that de-funded its police department has seen the murder rate skyrocket. So far, the Left has racked up a significantly higher body count than the Right. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/almost-one-in-three-of-republicans-say-violence-may-be-necessary-to-save-us/953652.md?page=2)