# Alt History Nazis invade the United States. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 23, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110 "2010-10-23T17:05:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Captain\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@Captain\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/1 "2010-10-23T17:05:13Z")
Is their any alt-History where the Nazis successfully invade the United States? ---
**Author:** ![Candyman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Candyman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Candyman74)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/2 "2010-10-23T17:09:33Z")
Eh? You mean a novel or something? ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/3 "2010-10-23T17:23:55Z")
I’m pretty sure it was on an episode of _Sliders_. ETA: Oh!. The Suliban totally did it on an episode of [Enterprise](http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Storm_Front,_Part_I). Man I hated that show. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/4 "2010-10-23T17:24:22Z")
[Here](http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/)’s a good place to get started. Nazi timeline are usually in the post-1900 forum. You need to be a registered member to view the Alien Space Bats & Magic forum. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/5 "2010-10-23T17:26:07Z")
It would be like your dream come true! ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/6 "2010-10-23T17:27:53Z")
The Nazis did invade Long island, sort of, in 1942. [It didn’t work out well for them](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pastorius). ---
**Author:** ![Markxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@Markxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Markxxx)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/7 "2010-10-23T17:37:09Z")
What you are looking for is the [Axis Forums](http://forum.axishistory.com/). Go to their “What if” section and look around. They cover all kinds of history even present day so don’t let the name fool you. They have can recommend books, and have memorabilia for sale. It’s a great place for any kind of “what if” or just if you’re a WWII buff. And as I said, they cover all periods of history. It’s really interesting as people from all over participate so you get views that aren’t uniquely western. Like the question, “Was Finland a ‘real’ member of the Axis or not.” A lot of Finns on the forums have strong opinions and that make very interesting reading ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/8 "2010-10-23T17:54:40Z")
Since the OP is discussing works of fiction, this is better suited to Cafe Society than General Questions. Colibri General Questions Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/9 "2010-10-23T18:06:09Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Since the OP is discussing works of fiction, this is better suited to Cafe Society than General Questions. Your aim’s a little off. Moved from Game Room to Cafe Society. Although, since it was in the Game Room, I’ll go ahead and mention that in _Panzer General II_, if you did well enough on the German campaign, you would eventually get to invade North America. The last battle, IIRC, requires you to capture Los Alamos before the US completes the first atom bomb. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/10 "2010-10-23T18:13:17Z")
Philip K. Dick’s [The Man in the High Castle](http://www.amazon.com/Man-High-Castle-Philip-Dick/dp/0679740678/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1287857460&sr=1-1) is probably the best known example. In it, Germany and Japan divide the U.S. after winning the war. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/11 "2010-10-23T18:18:06Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > The Nazis did invade Long island, sort of, in 1942. > > [It didn’t work out well for them](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pastorius). Didn’t work out too well in [Chicago](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhozx819izU), either. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/12 "2010-10-23T18:19:33Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > ETA: Oh!. The Suliban totally did it on an episode of [Enterprise](http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Storm_Front,_Part_I). Man I hated that show. [The Na’kuhl](http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Na'kuhl) did, actually. The Suliban are the ones who look like they’re made of gravel. Or melons. DC Comics has had several worlds where the Nazis took the US, or at least part of it. Earth-X, pre-Crisis (Originally intended to be called Earth-Swastika), had the Freedom Fighters travel in from the more or less peaceful Earth-Two to try to drive them out. Post-Infinite Crisis, we’ve seen at least 2 different variants on Earth-10, a world where not only did the Nazis take North America, but the local variant on the Justice League is Nazi-aligned. Various references (particularly in Countdown and Countdown Arena) suggest a third, or even forth variant, but these can be reconciled with one or the other of the two main variants. Either way, it’s fodder for my theory that the 52 aren’t universes, but multiverses in their own right, each with its own branching timelines. (This is also useful for some of the more confusing and contradictory aspects of Earth-26.) ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/13 "2010-10-23T18:56:25Z")
> [@Captain\_Midnight](#): > > Is their any alt-History where the Nazis successfully invade the United States? 2000’s elections. ---
**Author:** ![antonio107](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7ea924/32.png) [@antonio107](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/antonio107)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/14 "2010-10-23T19:16:02Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > ETA: Oh!. The Suliban totally did it on an episode of [Enterprise](http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Storm_Front,_Part_I). Man I hated that show. -glare- Enterprise was a great series, IMO. _Storm Front_, however, was admittedly a low point in the series. Had they cut short the Xindi story line, and transitioned to the Earth-Romulan war, I think it would have had another 2-3 really successful seasons. I don’t know who’s bright idea it was to do “Star Trek crew meets Nazis” for the **THIRD TIME** , but they need to be whacked over the head with a blunt instrument. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/15 "2010-10-23T19:44:33Z")
Realistically, the Nazis had almost no hope of conquering England, and none at all of conquering the United States. Len Deighton’s “SS GB,” which imagines a Nazi-occupied UK, was a fun read nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/16 "2010-10-23T21:31:38Z")
Cyril M. Kornbluth’s _Two Dooms_ describes an alternate future where the Japanese Empire and the Third Reich split the country down the middle, meeting at the Mississippi. This was seen in a vision quest by a Manhattan Project scientist, who had doubts about the morality of his work. The resulting nightmare convinced him to keep working. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/17 "2010-10-23T22:03:43Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Realistically, the Nazis had almost no hope of conquering England, and none at all of conquering the United States. > > Len Deighton’s “SS GB,” which imagines a Nazi-occupied UK, was a fun read nonetheless. If you are discussing alt.history, then there are a couple of changes needed to make a Nazi invasion of Britain more likely to succeed. The first is that the British didn’t invent RADAR and the 2nd is that Winston Churchill didn’t become Prime Minister. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/18 "2010-10-23T22:44:23Z")
In a lot of the “Nazis win” alt histories I have read, the US is not truly invaded. It is often “conquered” because it itself becomes fascist (in a lot of the ones like this, the attempted assassination of FDR succeeded) or ends up surrendering after a couple of German Rockets come across the Atlantic and a puppet government is set up. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/19 "2010-10-23T22:53:49Z")
Watch _Red Dawn_ and squint a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110/20 "2010-10-23T23:41:40Z")
The short story \*\*\*Thor meets Captain America, \*\*\*by David Brin. The Nazis cheated though- they had literally supernatural help. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alt-history-nazis-invade-the-united-states/558110.md?page=2)