# Alternate Christmas Message **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 29, 2009, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternate-christmas-message/522901 "2009-12-29T13:29:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2009, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternate-christmas-message/522901/1 "2009-12-29T13:29:11Z")
You UK Dopers are no doubt very familiar with this. But, as a colonial living in the States, I’ve just stumbled across this, and am amazed and appalled. In response to the Queen’s annual Christmas message, broadcast over the telly, Channel Four has apparently been running an “Alternate CXhristmas Message” (the same way the US Political Party out of power gets to broadcast a rebuttal to the State of the Union message over here). It apparently started in 1993 when Quentin Crisp gave the first one. There seems to be some reason to believe that he did it as an alternative “Queen’s” message (nudge nudge). They kept it up, with messages from a strange gallery of speakers – Jesse Jackson, Brigitte Bardot, Ali G,… I’d dearly love to see the 2004 one from Marge Simpson: > [@](#): > > 2004 Alternative message > > Marge Simpson was chosen to give the message due to Channel 4’s recent acquisition of rights to broadcast The Simpsons. > > In it she commented on David and Victoria Beckham’s marriage in a negative comparison with hers and Homer’s, and compared the special relationship between the UK and the US to that of Mini Me and Dr. Evil in the Austin Powers films (“Helping out in all our zany schemes to take over the world”). Lisa Simpson also held a banner supporting Cornwall’s secession: “UK OUT OF CORNWALL”, while chanting Rydhsys rag Kernow lemmyn (Cornish for “freedom for Cornwall now”). I’ve looked at YouTuibe and other sites, but can’t find it on the internet. The 2008 one was by **Mahmoud Ahmadinejad** (!!!): > [@](#): > > 2008 Alternative message > > The 2008 Christmas message was given by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of The Islamic Republic of Iran. The message was given in Persian with English subtitles.[2] In this message Ahmedinejad said that “if Christ were on earth today, undoubtedly he would stand with the people in opposition to bullying, ill-tempered and expansionist powers”.[10] The message was considered controversial and received much criticism both before and after its broadcast. Much of the criticism was centred on Ahmadinejad’s allegedly anti-semitic and homophobic views. However, the message itself was not regarded as inflammatory and did not make any reference to these two issues.[11] Human Rights campaigner Peter Tatchell called Ahmadinejad a “criminal despot, who ranks with Robert Mugabe, Omar al-Bashir of Sudan and the Burmese military junta as one of the world’s most bloody tyrants”.[12] > **[Alternative Christmas message](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_Christmas_message)** > > The alternative Christmas message is a message broadcast by Channel 4 since 1993, as a sometimes humorous and sometimes serious alternative to the traditional Royal Christmas message. > Beginning in 1993, Channel 4 broadcast an "alternative Christmas message", usually featuring a contemporary, often controversial celebrity delivering a message in the manner of Queen Elizabeth II. This tradition started by accident when, running a series of programmes on "Christmas in New York", the channel invit... Anyone know more about these? Are they available for viewing on the Net or on DVDs? Any comments from UK Dopers:? ---
**Author:** ![Charley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/97f17d/32.png) [@Charley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charley)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternate-christmas-message/522901/2 "2009-12-29T15:09:52Z")
I’m guessing that you’re appalled particularly because of last years? Otherwise, I don’t get it. Do you think we shouldn’t hear what people like Ahmadinejad have to say? It’s a very Channel 4 thing to do, in my opinion. Although they’ve moved away somewhat from their original remit, the channel does exist to provide an alternative to mainstream terrestrial programming, something they’ve done with varying degrees of success over recent years. The alternative broadcast is just one more thing that they do which is different to the staid consensus that characterises the rest of the mainstream media, I guess (that sounds a little more critical than I meant). The queen has had her own slot since time immemorial, it’s nice to have a tradtional alternative. I’ve watched most of them, they’re occasionally worth a few minutes of my time but usually not as interesting as they might have been. The guests are sometimes horrendously gimmicky (the wife swap couple in 2003 according to Wikipedia, Ali G) and sometimes more thought-provoking (the Lawrences, for example). I get your comaprison, btw, but it’s not really the same as the rebuttal to the State of the Union. The C4 message isn’t in answer to the queen particularly, as far as I know. It’s just something that is put on at the same time as she gets her bit, and has become a tradition in its own right. AFAIK the details of Brenda’s\* speech don’t get officially released in advance, although the theme does seem to be these days, so it would be difficult to rebut it. Don’t know about availability on line, I’m afraid. - obligatory Private Eye reference ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternate-christmas-message/522901/3 "2009-12-29T15:46:51Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m guessing that you’re appalled particularly because of last years? Otherwise, I don’t get it. Do you think we shouldn’t hear what people like Ahmadinejad have to say? I absolutely do think that people should hear what he has to say. Putting it on as an Alternate Christmas Message just seems like rubbing salt into a wound, though. ---
**Author:** ![Charley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/97f17d/32.png) [@Charley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charley)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternate-christmas-message/522901/4 "2009-12-29T15:53:33Z")
Yeah, I guess… I suppose I thought of it as an ‘opportunity for someone other than the queen to talk directly to people’ which happens to take place on 25th December, more than a specifically Christmassy thing.