Alternate History: If Germany won WWII.

Hitler was addicted to cocaine & amphetemines. He had Parkinson’s.

One way or another, he was not long for this world.

After Hitler, the feeding frenzy begins.

My money is on the Army. The German General Staff & Officers’ Corps was increasingly fed up with Nazism & the Nazis that led it.
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A relative of the Kaiser would be sitting on the German Throne by 1955.

Interesting, Bosda. I’d heard he used to take amphetamines, or maybe mescaline, before big speeches, but I’d never heard the other things you mention. Where did they come from?

Thank you everyone. Just my own nitpick: In Fatherland, it is actually Joseph Kennedy Sr. who is President. This makes the world an even scarier place because of Joseph Kennedy, Sr’s historical opinions of Nazism. And I never knew Hitler had Parkinson’s. One testicle, yes. Vegetarian, yes. But Parkinson’s?

If the Nazis won WW2, it would be followed by WW3 agaisnt the USA.

BTW, does this mean that Edith Keeler gets to live?

War And Drugs.

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Plenty of other info on this topic in libraries & on the Web.

As mentioned above , the only realistic scenario for Nazi victory is a America that didn’t go to war with Germany. No second front , no bombing of German industry and perhaps most crucially no lend-lease. Russia recieved a * lot* of supplies from the Allies.
How likely is this? Well actually its perfectly plausible. It was Hitler who decided to declare war on the USA which his treaties with Japan did not compel him to do (since it was a defensive alliance and Japan was the aggressor).
If he hadn’t then it seems at least a arguable assumption that America would have chosen to concentrate on Japan and ignore the European war.

This might have been tricky, since the US (and the Soviet) space programs were based on Nazi rocket terchology and were run by German scientists.

Not only was Germany a long way from developing the bomb, they had no way to deliver it. The first atomic bombs were huge (10,000 lbs) and the only aircraft capable of delivering one was the B-29. The Nazis didn’t a single design for a haevy bomber.

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…if the United States had really needed to use Ireland as a base, we’d have taken it.

The logistics of this would have impossible. Fist of all, you would need a landing on the scale of D-Day. And those troops and all of their supplies would have to sail from Iceland, across a North Atlantic full of a strength U-boat fleet to land in Ireland (undoubtedly crawling with Luftwaffe).
OTOH a German invasion of Britain would have been equally disastrous.

If you want Germany to win the war, you would have to change so many things, so far back. If I can think of a way this could be done, I’ll let you know.

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The new issue of Captain America found Cap waking up from his decades-long cryogenic slumber to a U.S. occupied by Nazis. It looks like it could be an interesting story.

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If Germany won the war, there would be no Israeli state, and thus no terrorism. Europe would be occupied mostly by blondes…

Cute premise for overblown melodrama, but highly unlikely. Neither Germany nor Japan had the wherewithal to mount a trans-oceanic invasion in force, especially not in force against a country that had independent land-route sources of rubber, oil, food, wood, iron ore, coal, nitrates, and pretty much all the other raw materials of war at that time. Likewise, unlike Japan or Germany, if the Axis were to really have threatened the Americas, we could have counted on these sources being in the hands of generally friendly locals. Mexico, Central America, and South America were either supplying the Allies or were neutral-but-Allies-friendly.

No, Mexico would not have turned traitor. Germany tried that trick back in WWI to no avail.

A different Cold War would have been a more likely outcome.

According to William L. Shirer, Hitler actively encouraged this. If you look at Nazi Germany’s internal organization, you will see that it was a monumentally bizarre overlay of non-compatible layers of bureaucracy, more importantly, Party divisions were not permitted to correspond to administrative divisions. A simple model of this would be to take and divide a square into three horizontal sections, I, II, and III. Lay another set of divisions upon this, vertically, A, B, and C.

Okay, so over-office A is responsible for parts of territories I, II, and III, but it has to simultaneously fight against over-offices B and C, which are likewise responsible for parts of territories.

Within his own inner circle, Hitler encouraged rivalries and back-biting–so long as it was never directed against him. He became the great peacemaker and solution finder for them.

The factionalization was meant to make it more difficult to damage the Leader’s hold on power.

Dirty little secret that the jingoists want you to remain ignorant of: Chrysler took over Daimler.

Dude, chill. Switch to decaf.

Didn’t even have a single design?

What about the Me-264, a heavy bomber design that actually made it to the prototype stage?

You learn something every day here. And that’s a good thing. :slight_smile:

Chrysler took over Daimler? What’s the story there; a quick web search has it the other way around on every link I saw. Obviously your jingoists (would that be American or German jingoists?) have kept me in the dark.

The NSDAP (Nazional Socialist Demokratik Arbei Partei) (my German is VERY rusty, was founded by Anton Drexler in I believe 1926 and Hitler became party member 555 around about the same time.
Drexler died and Hitler took over as leader (Fuhrer)
As you say it was indeed a product of time and place

To nit-pick…

Fry’s excellent book “Making History” doesn’t show a Nazi controlled America. He portrays a world where there is a cold-war between Nazi controlled Europe and America, which is never invaded by Nazi forces…

However, in an interesting twist, Fry suggests that the resulting America is very insular and far more right wing, to the point that there’s not that big a difference between it and the Nazi Europe it opposes. The protest movements etc of the 1960s simply never happen.

This makes the book a whole lot more interesting than the simple Good/Bad confrontation it could have been. And is why it’s a very clever book without being a heavy read. It’s well thought-out popular fiction. Stephen Fry knows what he’s doing.

Close. It’s Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei – National Socialist German Workers’ Party

This site amplifies on its history a bit. It says Hitler was member #55, even earlier. Ironically, he’d been sent by the German army to spy on them, and liked what they were saying.

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