# Alternative facts **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 23, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937 "2017-01-23T16:15:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/61 "2017-01-23T21:52:24Z")
Trump and his team are simply laying the groundwork for the future. When unemployment hits 10%, they will just have alternate facts that say it’s now below 3%. When we enter two consecutive quarters of negative growth, they will say that the economy is growing more than ever. They want facts to be meaningless, so they can substitute their own reality. In order to do this, they have to destroy the media. This is the plan. This is what they are going to do. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/62 "2017-01-23T21:53:44Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Trump and his team are simply laying the groundwork for the future. > > When unemployment hits 10%, they will just have alternate facts that say it’s now below 3%. When we enter two consecutive quarters of negative growth, they will say that the economy is growing more than ever. They want facts to be meaningless, so they can substitute their own reality. > > In order to do this, they have to destroy the media. This is the plan. This is what they are going to do. Mara Liasson of NPR tried to get Spicer to commit to which unemployment number he cares about, but he was too slippery. It was like trying to nail Jell-o to the wall. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/63 "2017-01-23T22:01:03Z")
Spicer today: “Sometimes we disagree with the facts”. What the everloving fuck. \*\*Disagree with the facts. \*\* This is the very definition of someone who is not dealing with reality. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/64 "2017-01-23T22:06:04Z")
They believe they are entitled to their own facts. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/65 "2017-01-23T22:09:44Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Oh good, **Drunky Smurf** has joined the thread. Has everyone enjoyed his usual contribution of pointless white male anger? It’s not really a thread until **Drunky** has shat in it. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/66 "2017-01-23T22:43:38Z")
So if I prefer the alternative electoral college that’s OK too? OK then: He is not my fucking president. Anyone got a problem with it I’m right fucking here, in the same fucking reality you are moron. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/67 "2017-01-23T22:53:16Z")
> [@LouisB](#): > > I wish he would be the first man to walk in the Marianas Trench. For twenty minutes. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/68 "2017-01-23T22:54:20Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > This is going to hang KAC for the rest of her life. Is that still the operative statement? - Ron Zigler ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/69 "2017-01-23T23:15:30Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > It’s easy. “We promise to tell you exactly the same thing Fox News, unofficial arm of the Republican Party, tells you. Since you’ll be hearing it from the government AND the press, you can believe it is the truth!” Actually, even [Fox News took Spicer](http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/01/22/reince-priebus-fiery-debate-chris-wallace-donald-trump-inauguration-photo-spicer-press) to task about the inauguration crowd size. Trump has slagged them plenty of times in the past, so they’re not exactly friends. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/70 "2017-01-23T23:40:49Z")
What is somewhat interesting to me is that Sean Spicer is not a novice. He has a rather conventional career leading up to this job, so the notion of “crafting a message” for the media should not be new to him. I get that in Trump-land everything is a negotiation and one way to start a negotiation is to go straight to bustin’ the balls, but egads! It’s as if he’s never done this before, like he’s way out of his league. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/71 "2017-01-23T23:48:33Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Actually, even [Fox News took Spicer](http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/01/22/reince-priebus-fiery-debate-chris-wallace-donald-trump-inauguration-photo-spicer-press) to task about the inauguration crowd size. Trump has slagged them plenty of times in the past, so they’re not exactly friends. Headlines from CNN Spicer: Sometimes we disagree with the facts Yep, let’s disagree with the friggen facts. If Trump wants the facts changed, we’ll change them. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/72 "2017-01-23T23:49:23Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > What is somewhat interesting to me is that Sean Spicer is not a novice. He has a rather conventional career leading up to this job, so the notion of “crafting a message” for the media should not be new to him. I get that in Trump-land everything is a negotiation and one way to start a negotiation is to go straight to bustin’ the balls, but egads! It’s as if he’s never done this before, like he’s way out of his league. I think he’s being told by Trump: “I had the biggest audience ever. Now go out there and say that!” I don’t know how these people can go home at night without drinking heavily. Unless they really are conscience-free automatons, or sociopaths. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/73 "2017-01-24T00:03:21Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I think he’s being told by Trump: “I had the biggest audience ever. Now go out there and say that!” > > I don’t know how these people can go home at night without drinking heavily. Unless they really are conscience-free automatons, or sociopaths. Who says they don’t drink heavily? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/74 "2017-01-24T00:13:46Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > That f’ing dress costs $3600? Seriously? Please tell me we didn’t pay for it. > > [Kellyanne Conway inauguration outfit: Gucci coat is British-themed - CBS News](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kellyanne-conway-inauguration-outfit-coat-gucci-design-london-inspired/) > > scroll down to the picture of it, look to the left. Look. I know this is back-tracking a bit, but have you looked at the buttons? They are, yes, cats, also known as pussies. What the ever loving fuck? Tell me that wasn’t deliberate. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/75 "2017-01-24T00:14:32Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I think he’s being told by Trump: “I had the biggest audience ever. Now go out there and say that!” > > I don’t know how these people can go home at night without drinking heavily. Unless they really are conscience-free automatons, or sociopaths. > [@Morgenstern](#): > > Who says they don’t drink heavily? Who says they’re not conscience-free automatons, or sociopaths? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/76 "2017-01-24T00:18:40Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Mara Liasson of NPR tried to get Spicer to commit to which unemployment number he cares about, but he was too slippery. It was like trying to nail Jell-o to the wall. Maybe the press has been too afraid to nail anyone to the wall, or it’s easier to not do it? I would love to see someone stop this guy (or any of them) and yell “Enough of this bullshit. Just answer the question”. But that will never happen. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/77 "2017-01-24T00:19:43Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > They believe they are entitled to their own facts. Sound familiar? Just like the “we create our own reality” of another recent bunch. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/78 "2017-01-24T00:42:43Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Actually, even [Fox News took Spicer](http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/01/22/reince-priebus-fiery-debate-chris-wallace-donald-trump-inauguration-photo-spicer-press) to task about the inauguration crowd size. Trump has slagged them plenty of times in the past, so they’re not exactly friends. donnie has slagged who? Fox? They won him the election. They had people pimping for him hours very day for over a year. It was his home away from home. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/79 "2017-01-24T00:44:04Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Far as I’m concerned, it’s open warfare on Trump and his minions. It’s fair and right to call KAC on her contemptible lies, but I think it’s completely unfair to attack her on her looks, hair and style of dress. There are lines I’d rather fellow progressives didn’t cross. I’ll agree with looks, hair, etc. Those aren’t fair and not in her control. But she chose to wear something silly and unflattering. That’s taste, and like her taste in her boss (and his penchant for Late Century African Strongman Decor) I think it’s fair game. It is a form of judgement, after all. And it’s not like she wore that because she couldn’t afford better- I bet that outfit cost more than any article of clothing I own (and I wear suits on a regular basis) ETA: Yep. According to Post #74, $3600. I have a handful of $100 Brooks Brothers shirts I save for special, and one BB coat (NOT Suit) that are the most expensive clothes I own. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/80 "2017-01-24T00:49:09Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > I’ll agree with looks, hair, etc. Those aren’t fair and not in her control. But she chose to wear something silly and unflattering. That’s taste, and like her taste in her boss (and his penchant for Late Century African Strongman Decor) I think it’s fair game. > > It is a form of judgement, after all. And it’s not like she wore that because she couldn’t afford better- I bet that outfit cost more than any article of clothing I own (and I wear suits on a regular basis) > > ETA: Yep. According to Post #74, $3600. I have a handful of $100 Brooks Brothers shirts I save for special, and one BB coat (NOT Suit) that are the most expensive clothes I own. When reality is being upended and tortured by orwellian pronouncements and a mentally ill leader it’s important to always think about the feelings of the fascists. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937.md?page=5)