# Alternative facts **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 23, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937 "2017-01-23T16:15:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/81 "2017-01-24T00:55:06Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Look. I know this is back-tracking a bit, but have you looked at the buttons? They are, yes, cats, also known as pussies. What the ever loving fuck? Tell me that wasn’t deliberate. I wish I could get away from the feeling of being taunted on the playground by Cheato’s pack of bullies, while the teachers have a smoke and fail to notice what’s really going on. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/82 "2017-01-24T03:14:31Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > donnie has slagged who? Fox? They won him the election. They had people pimping for him hours very day for over a year. It was his home away from home. From the [Trump Twitter Archive](http://trumptwitterarchive.com/#/): Fox News “not fair!” (12/15/2015) Fox News “pathetic attempt by @foxnews to try and build up ratings…without me they’d have no ratings” (01/26/2016) Fox News "statement put out yesterday by @FoxNews was a disgrace to good broadcasting and journalism…nasty & dumb " (01/27/2016) Fox News “only puts negative people on…biased - a total joke” (02/14/2016) Fox News “so biased it is disgusting…they do not want Trump to win…all negative” (02/17/2016) Fox News “totally biased and disgusting reporting” (03/10/2016) Fox News’ Chris Stirewalt “one of the dumbest political pundits on television…dope” (11/06/2015) ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/83 "2017-01-24T03:44:31Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Fact: Donald Trump first picked up a golf club in 1994 and shot a 38-under par round that included no fewer than 11 holes in one. He also controls the weather. He made it stop raining for his inauguration speech, and after his speech was finished the rain started again. Trump controls the weather. Trump also invented a food called the ‘double bread with meat’. Realizing that students needed a snack they could eat in a hurry as they rushed between classes, Trump has the idea of putting a piece of meat in between two pieces of bread so the students would always have nourishment. [Photo](http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/928000/620x/donald-trump-north-korea-hamburgers-560802.jpg) of Trump enjoying his invention. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/84 "2017-01-24T05:19:31Z")
Facts are just\*\* _one letter away_\*\* from Farts! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/85 "2017-01-24T05:46:55Z")
> [@Trancephalic](#): > > Is this the part where O’Brien floats off the floor like a soap bubble? I’m just wondering if you can take on Eurasia and Eastasia at the same time. It kinda seems like Trump wants to. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/86 "2017-01-24T07:01:32Z")
> [@Trancephalic](#): > > Is this the part where O’Brien floats off the floor like a soap bubble? No, that comes after the finger-counting lesson. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m just wondering if you can take on Eurasia and Eastasia at the same time. It kinda seems like Trump wants to. Eurasia and Eastasia don’t exist. Oceania is the world. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/87 "2017-01-24T11:13:57Z")
Well, as long as Big Trumper loves us, I bellyfeel all is plusgood. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/88 "2017-01-24T12:57:35Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Fact: Donald Trump first picked up a golf club in 1994 and shot a 38-under par round that included no fewer than 11 holes in one. Yes. That remains the Pyongyang Golf Course record to this day. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/89 "2017-01-24T13:05:34Z")
It just so happens that North Korea likes making [orange-colored statues of its leaders](http://www.unbelievable-facts.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/63bf3389-d184-42c7-838f-b0866d01799e-2060x1236.jpeg), so one can get a fascinating glimpse into the future of the United States. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/90 "2017-01-24T13:25:18Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, as long as Big Trumper loves us, I bellyfeel all is plusgood. Oldthinkers unbellyfeel altfacts. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/91 "2017-01-24T13:55:43Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Trump and his team are simply laying the groundwork for the future. > > When unemployment hits 10%, they will just have alternate facts that say it’s now below 3%. When we enter two consecutive quarters of negative growth, they will say that the economy is growing more than ever. They want facts to be meaningless, so they can substitute their own reality. > > In order to do this, they have to destroy the media… Your first two paragraphs are what I’ve been saying for awhile now; Trump is laying the groundwork to simply create his own, false version of reality that Trumpists will happily eat up. And they’re already doing so. As to “destroying the media,” well, no. Quite the contrary. Trump need not get rid of CNN or ABC or whomever. He can use them to his great advantage because they must report his lies, and the Trumpists hear the lies and believe them to be true. The fact that decent journalists will say “this is a lie” actually reinforces the Trumpists’ beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/92 "2017-01-24T14:03:26Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > It just so happens that North Korea likes making [orange-colored statues of its leaders](http://www.unbelievable-facts.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/63bf3389-d184-42c7-838f-b0866d01799e-2060x1236.jpeg), so one can get a fascinating glimpse into the future of the United States. There remains one great and undeniable difference between Kim Jung-un and Don the Con. That is, the women in NK claim he loves them. Women in the US claim he gropes them. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/93 "2017-01-24T14:15:30Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > There remains one great and undeniable difference between Kim Jung-un and Don the Con. That is, the women in NK claim he loves them. Women in the US claim he gropes them. By the way, the people at the base of the statue in that look-see photo from the future are CNN employees. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/94 "2017-01-24T15:27:34Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > He also controls the weather. He made it stop raining for his inauguration speech, and after his speech was finished the rain started again. Trump controls the weather. > > Trump also invented a food called the ‘double bread with meat’. Realizing that students needed a snack they could eat in a hurry as they rushed between classes, Trump has the idea of putting a piece of meat in between two pieces of bread so the students would always have nourishment. [Photo](http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/928000/620x/donald-trump-north-korea-hamburgers-560802.jpg) of Trump enjoying his invention. I get that he has control over weather now, but what was up with all the tornadoes? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/95 "2017-01-24T15:36:59Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I get that he has control over weather now, but what was up with all the tornadoes? Trump spins _everything._ ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/96 "2017-01-24T15:37:50Z")
Alternative facts —\> Alternate reality [Italics & bold appear in original] > [@](#): > > _“I’m a very big person when it comes to the environment. I have received awards on the environment.”_ > **— President Trump, remarks during a meeting with business leaders, Jan. 23** > … > > Trump touted his alleged environmental accolades as early as 2011, when he said during a “Fox and Friends” interview, “I’ve received many, many environmental awards.” He repeatedly claimed this during the 2016 presidential campaign: “I’ve won many environmental awards, by the way. I’ve actually been called an environmentalist, if you can believe that.”\* > > Are there any facts to support this claim to environmental fame? > > **The Facts** > > The short answer is: No. Media outlets and environmental groups have tried to find evidence of this claim since 2011 but have come up short. We could not readily find references to Trump’s environmental awards in news coverage over the past 10 years. We checked with the Natural Resources Defense Council Action Fund, the Environmental Defense Fund and the Sierra Club, and none had any record of Trump’s environmental awards. > … > > **The Pinocchio Test** > > The evidence is quite slim for Trump’s claim that he has “received awards on the environment.” We know of one award by the Metropolitan Golf Association, given in 2007 to his golf course in Bedminster, N.J. The golf course was later cited for environmental violations. > > The White House pointed us to a self-published book by Trump’s former environmental consultant. The only award mentioned in that book was from New Jersey Audubon — but the group denied it ever gave an award to Trump, the Trump National club in Bedminster or any of its employees. > > Here is one award that we’ll give to Trump. It’s not related to the environment — and he already has many of them — but we present Trump with his first four-Pinocchio rating as president… [Cite](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/24/trumps-unsupported-claim-he-has-received-awards-on-the-environment/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_fact-checker-745a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory) The funny thing is, I don’t think Trump thinks he’s lying. I think HE believes he HAS received environmental awards. Just the way O.J. Simpson really believes he didn’t murder his wife. I think Trump believes what he says, even when it changes and contradicts itself. He believes it at the time. He believes that he creates reality as he speaks. \*\*Um, no, we can’t believe that. \* ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/97 "2017-01-24T17:30:09Z")
Assigned reading for all incoming West Wing staff: [http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/wn23ov/picture128160644/ALTERNATES/FREE\_640/Screen%20Shot%202017-01-23%20at%207.01.24%20AM](http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/wn23ov/picture128160644/ALTERNATES/FREE_640/Screen%20Shot%202017-01-23%20at%207.01.24%20AM) ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/98 "2017-01-24T17:41:07Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > He believes that he creates reality as he speaks\*.\* And there’s a term for this, especially at the level (of intensity, seriousness and repetition) for this. It’s called mental illness. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/99 "2017-01-24T17:45:52Z")
Way back in the '70s the television series _Doctor Who_ touched on this topic when Tom Baker’s character, the Fourth Doctor said “You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don’t alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views.” ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alternative-facts/777937/100 "2017-01-24T18:25:25Z")
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