FWIW, if you are accusing Lissener or Rosenbaum of the above than your perception doesn’t mirror reality. I think both take movies and movie-watching more seriously than others. There is nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is extrapolating from this the belief that they (and others) “judge themselves and other people by what movies they watch.” That says more about you than it does about Lissener or Rosenbaum or anyone else.
And I’m saying this as someone whose view count for Sleepaway Camp and Porky’s is probably greater than the population of most states.
Stopped reading there. You keep inserting imaginary bullshit like “disdain.” You are wrong. Further, you are defensive in your wrongness, which makes you utterly not worth bothering to engage with.
Main point being: snobs like Little Nemo explicitly look down on people who take movies more seriously than they do: explicitly accuse them of dishonesty and elitism. They engage in explicit namecalling. On the other hand, the people they accuse, only “disdain” in the imagination. Our “crimes” take place on in the minds of the accusers, and the only evidence of these crimes is a subjective mining of someone else’s words in order to reconstruct the thought process that produced them. Period. That’s your smoking gun, Little Nemo, that it “feels” to you like Rosenbaum is probably thinking elitist thoughts about you. On the other hand, your personalization and insulting accusations are typed out by your own little fingers.
Pretty clear to me where the more egregious offense lies.
You’ll note, if you read and respond honestly rather than mining for out-of-context gotchas–while conveniently failing to respond to the actual point of the post–that the phrase you lifted was in reference to my reaction to you AFTER you had already accused me of disdain. It was the dishonesty of your accusation I was reacting to, not your taste in movies. More dishonesty.
lissener, Little Nemo [in alphabetical order, I’m not prioritizing who started it], both of you knock it off now. If you want to attack each other personally, take it to the Pit.
If I have to come back in here again it will be to start issuing warnings.
It seems to me that if it’s acceptable to accuse someone of artistic dishonesty–i.e., pretension or its synonyms–then it should be acceptable to accuse them of debate dishonesty in the same discussion.
Little Nemo, where does the idea that people who enjoy film as an artform are looking down upon those who just want to be entertained? I am sure there are some people who only see snooty French films (I mean aside from French people) and look their noses down at those idiots who are only watching blockbusters. But, noone in this thread has said that and neither has Rosenbaum.
Rosenbaum put together a list of movies in response to the AFI’s list. You thought the list was put together as a way for Rosenbaum to make himself look impressive to others for his selections. You have gone on to say people who view film as an art look down on others for liking regular movies. Presumably, you are including Rosenbaum as someone who does this. Reading the list and his essay I have no idea where you come to these conclusions. As I said previously, I don’t agree with the entirety of the essay. Especially, when he states things as fact without any explanation. In spite of that, I believe he brings up valuable points in it and more importantly the list is an excellent resource. I don’t see any evidence that he was simply picking movies to appear hip, or holier than thou.
I am not trying to pick scabs over a fight that I guess is over. I just wanted to continue my thoughts from my earlier post after rereading your initial post on the subject of his article.
I misread one of Little Nemo’s posts. I should not have mentioned him by name as being someone who was making personal remarks about other posters after I had asked people to refrain from doing so.
My apologies to him for implying that he was ignoring moderator instructions.
I love this. You smear Lissener and Rosenbaum and get all sad when people take issue with it, even skittering to one of the mods about your ill-treatment. And now, you’re going to drop out because the thread is wandering even though you were one of the people moving the goalposts in the first place. There are words for this kind of behavior unfortunately they’d get me banned. I know you’re going to complain to a mod about me being a big meanie so I’ll just reassure said mod right now that this will be the end of the subject for me.
That’s an interesting list. I like that he says “movies I’ve enjoyed”. It’s a better qualification than “best” or even “favorite”.
Is there going to be a Classic Movie Club or not? Link to TCM’s schedule for June. I don’t know if any of the movies already suggested are on the schedule though.
I haven’t seen the 1962 version of Mutiny on the Bounty and it’s been years since I saw El Dorado.
I’ve seen a surprisingly large number of those, and am aware of most of the rest. It’s not surprising yesterday’s fairly big movie is today’s forgotten movie. Quite a lot of those got extensive press and reviews when they came out.