# Am I Satan, or just a garden variey psychopath? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 6, 2011, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656 "2011-01-06T20:53:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/221 "2011-01-10T13:48:50Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > So what happened **tdn**? I’m curious to know. > > Did her mother knit a cockring for the event? Or was it called off? I saw an episode of the Graham Norton show once that featured people who have a wool fetish. Wool garters, wool stockings, wool hoods with no eyeholes, etc. A wool cockring would totally and completely not surprise me at this point. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/222 "2011-01-10T14:01:11Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > So what happened **tdn**? I’m curious to know. It wasn’t this past weekend, it’s the weekend coming up. And on what planet do you think I’d share how it went? The planet where I wrestle with pigs? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/223 "2011-01-10T14:12:28Z")
How about the same planet where you started a thread to brag about setting it up in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/224 "2011-01-10T14:19:27Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > How about the same planet where you started a thread to brag about setting it up in the first place. I will take this opportunity to agree with **Dio** for the first time in this thread. PS, regarding this tired meme that “women only have to walk six feet to have sex if they want to” : Yeah, maybe, if you have no standards and don’t give a shit about the person you are having sex with. If you actually want to find someone you have an emotional connection with and find attractive, instead of just using the criterion “will have sex with me if asked,” it’s a bit more difficult. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/225 "2011-01-10T14:30:20Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > How about the same planet where you started a thread to brag about setting it up in the first place. I’d set you straight on that, but I’m tired of wrestling with pigs. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/226 "2011-01-10T15:20:40Z")
I’m kind of late to the party but I’m going to defend **tdn** here. A lot of people here, myself included, find **tdn** ’s thoughts about romance and dating to be a tad (or more) creepy. But you know what? There are all sorts of people in this world. There are men who have read _The Game_ and there are women who like men to use pick-up lines from _The Game_. The women of the Dope might not be those women, but those women exist. So **tdn** has found someone who likes his style. Good for him. **tdn** likes the idea of a romantic getaway at a remote B&B as the setting for their first date, and so does she. That’s the kind of girl who’s attracted to a guy like him. What’s the big deal? I don’t see anyone being taken advantage of here. Does anyone really think that **tdn** said “The only way you’re going to meet me is at a remote B&B, in a shared room with romantic overtones”? I highly doubt it. If she had suggested they meet in a coffee shop 6 hours away, I bet he’d have done that. **tdn** might be the sort of guy who threw the whole B&B thing out there as a hopeful over-the-top suggestion, but she’s the sort of girl/they have the sort of relationship where she didn’t balk. She thought it was cool. So that’s what they’re going to do. It might all blow up in their faces but both parties seem to be going in to it with the same expectations. A guy we consider creepy has found someone that thinks he’s lovely. Good on them. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/227 "2011-01-10T15:35:42Z")
Nobody said that anybody was being taken advantage of. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/228 "2011-01-10T15:37:40Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > And on what planet do you think I’d share how it went? The planet where I wrestle with pigs? > [@tdn](#): > > I’d set you straight on that, but I’m tired of wrestling with pigs. So… the same planet then? Look **tdn** , I’m not getting down on you. I hope you have a great time, and I hope you find a long-term relationship from this. It’s just, many people (I think) find this situation to be less than ideal in terms of wanting to start a real relationship. I’m not even sure if that’s what you want though. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/229 "2011-01-10T16:21:37Z")
Seriously? You don’t plan to update us? [head exploding smilie here] ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/230 "2011-01-10T17:05:50Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > I’m kind of late to the party but I’m going to defend **tdn** here. > > A lot of people here, myself included, find **tdn** ’s thoughts about romance and dating to be a tad (or more) creepy. But you know what? There are all sorts of people in this world. There are men who have read _The Game_ and there are women who like men to use pick-up lines from _The Game_. The women of the Dope might not be those women, but those women exist. I guess. I just find it skeevy when he’ll post about his flirting with women and it seems that he’s just read so much into it. Like the one where he offered some women change for the parking meter and then said that he could have gotten them to do _anything_ but he blew it by just walking away. I mean, really, dude? I’m sure if you asked the women they’d just say, “Some guy gave us change for the parking meter.” Not, “I wish in addition to quarters, he’d asked us to lick whipped cream off his nipples.” ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/231 "2011-01-10T17:25:22Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I guess. I just find it skeevy when he’ll post about his flirting with women and it seems that he’s just read so much into it. Like the one where he offered some women change for the parking meter and then said that he could have gotten them to do _anything_ but he blew it by just walking away. I mean, really, dude? I’m sure if you asked the women they’d just say, “Some guy gave us change for the parking meter.” Not, “I wish in addition to quarters, he’d asked us to lick whipped cream off his nipples.” Yeah but this time he’s landed a girl that _would_ have done anything in exchange for that quarter. There’s a big difference between his perceptions of the reactions & feelings of waitresses and women on the street, and having a real live woman who responds with “OMG YES I WILL DO THAT WITH YOU!” Most of us women probably think **sleestak** ’s [Dom/sub situation](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=592157) is weird, and if he went around expressing how he wanted a sub or how he liked going to restaurants and having women serve him made his parts tingly because he knew they liked to serve him, we’d call him out on it like we do with tdn. But, **slee** has found a woman who is actually into that sort of thing and he’s talking about that specific woman and their specific relationship, so…good deal. I agree that if we posed the question “What would your idea of a good first date be?” and **tdn** answered with a description of this particular plan, we’d all be skeeved. “Where on earth are you going to find a woman who would do this?!” we’d say. But if the question were “Describe a first date that was spectacular” and he gave this answer, we might snicker but all in all, it’s not that skeevy. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/232 "2011-01-10T17:28:38Z")
The issue wasn’t particularly skeeviness, but that it’s unwise for a woman to go alone to meet a random stranger from the internet at an out of town hotel, and her family was right to be concerned. As a sub-issue, it’s also been suggested by several of us that tdn should at least reserve a second room in case things don’t go well. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/233 "2011-01-10T17:32:17Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I guess. I just find it skeevy when he’ll post about his flirting with women and it seems that he’s just read so much into it. Like the one where he offered some women change for the parking meter and then said that he could have gotten them to do _anything_ but he blew it by just walking away. Again, nutty and grandiose, but he says he did not flirt with those women. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/234 "2011-01-10T17:36:20Z")
It’s an example of how he seems to read way too much into his interactions with women. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/235 "2011-01-10T17:45:53Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It’s an example of how he seems to read way too much into his interactions with women. Sure, but it wasn’t a “post about his flirting with women,” and that was my quibble with **Freudian Slit**. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/236 "2011-01-10T17:58:56Z")
Okay, if not flirting, then let’s just file it under vaguely creepy or misinterpreted encounters that **tdn** ’s had with women. ---
**Author:** ![Gestalt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/90ced4/32.png) [@Gestalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gestalt)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/237 "2011-01-10T18:02:54Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > Again, nutty and grandiose, but he says he did not flirt with those women. Well, I got the impression that he wishes he had and regrets not doing so. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/238 "2011-01-10T18:11:46Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > Yeah but this time he’s landed a girl that _would_ have done anything in exchange for that quarter. Well, he has if his judgment is sound. I think his judgment has been called into question a few too many times for me to just accept everything he says about any woman. They would have done ANYTHING for a quarter. All waitresses LOVE when he flirts with them. They have a DEEP connection. She wants to spend ALL WEEKEND in bed with him. I dunno. They all sound like they come from the same place. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/239 "2011-01-10T18:55:15Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Okay, if not flirting, then let’s just file it under vaguely creepy or misinterpreted encounters that **tdn** ’s had with women. > [@Gestalt](#): > > Well, I got the impression that he wishes he had and regrets not doing so. Understood. I’m just noting the distinction between how he thinks and how he acts, the one seeming considerably more weird than the other. > [@jsgoddess](#): > > All waitresses LOVE when he flirts with them. There is this, to be sure. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656/240 "2011-01-10T19:02:07Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > Seriously? You don’t plan to update us? > > [head exploding smilie here] I’m disappointed as well. I believe there’s a tacit obligation to provide an epilogue, at minimum, to threads created to announce an upcoming misadventure. Possible exceptions made for the polyamorous stripper anticipating her new career as a Muhammad caricaturist in Kabul, or the author of “Ask the Future Self-Trepanner!” And I was looking forward to interpreting the spin. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-satan-or-just-a-garden-variey-psychopath/566656.md?page=13)