# Am I the only one who's given up on Castle? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 6, 2014, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-given-up-on-castle/700585 "2014-10-06T20:38:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-given-up-on-castle/700585/21 "2014-10-08T16:04:55Z")
There are inherent weaknesses that are wearing on the show. The daughter and his mother are useless characters. They are just “there”. (Quick: what are their names?) The writers haven’t figured out anything interesting to do with them. Sure, you can have someone kidnap one of them, but we’re bored of that from all the other shows that did it and so even once was sad. Beckett has never reached her full potential as a character. The mother murder back story really didn’t fit well with the mood of the series. The “will they or won’t they” also reached it’s inevitable boring conclusion. Going back to “fun”, literary Castle would help a little, but the basic problems are still there. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-given-up-on-castle/700585/22 "2014-10-08T17:18:27Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > There are inherent weaknesses that are wearing on the show. > > The daughter and his mother are useless characters. They are just “there”. (Quick: what are their names?) The writers haven’t figured out anything interesting to do with them. They have several uses. One is that Castle kvetches about his overbearing mother for comedy. The other is the device (used often, more so in earlier seasons) that Castle _realizes_ something about the case through conversations with one of them. Usually the daughter (Alexis. I know her name because she is a hot redhead 🙂 ) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-given-up-on-castle/700585/23 "2014-10-08T17:23:12Z")
Mom’s name is Martha. I am a total fanboy for Nathan Fillion and _Castle_, but I agree that the show is suffering some “procedural fatigue” (great term, BTW). Since I’m pretty sure who is behind Castle’s disappearance, I’m hoping they wrap up the show this season with arcs that deal with all dangling plot threads and go out strong. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-given-up-on-castle/700585/24 "2014-10-08T17:26:51Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > There are inherent weaknesses that are wearing on the show. > > The daughter and his mother are useless characters. They are just “there”. (Quick: what are their names?) The writers haven’t figured out anything interesting to do with them. Sure, you can have someone kidnap one of them, but we’re bored of that from all the other shows that did it and so even once was sad. Alexis (as noted: hot redhead) doesn’t _have_ to be a useless character. But bogging down the show with the usual lame-assed plot devices such as kidnapping, or boyfriend conflict (seriously, Alexis would never date anyone as useless as Pie. I don’t even think he rises to the level of stereotype.) damages the show. I thought they did a good job of avoiding the “child is the real grownup in the family” cliche with her, for the most part. Martha (not as hot redhead), on the other hand, really should get her own place. The slapstick silly subplots such as running an acting class in the apartment are just stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-given-up-on-castle/700585/25 "2014-10-08T17:29:58Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Since I’m pretty sure who is behind Castle’s disappearance, I’m hoping they wrap up the show this season with arcs that deal with all dangling plot threads and go out strong. Is he still missing? Well, there’s another episode to skip. :mad: Who’s your vote? Castle’s father? 3XK? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-given-up-on-castle/700585/26 "2014-10-08T17:32:52Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Who’s your vote? Castle’s father? 3XK? Castle’s father!! The kidnapping!!! I had put them out of memory and they just came back. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-given-up-on-castle/700585/27 "2014-10-08T17:34:49Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Is he still missing? Well, there’s another episode to skip. :mad: > > Who’s your vote? Castle’s father? 3XK? No, he’s back. There’s just a missing few months unaccounted for. I’m willing to bet that his father is behind, or at least a serious part of his vanishing. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-given-up-on-castle/700585/28 "2014-10-08T17:45:31Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Castle’s father!! The kidnapping!!! > > I had put them out of memory and they just came back. :mad: Sorry. I didn’t know they were trigger words. 🙂 Think happy thoughts. Picture a bullet proof vest with WRITER on it. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-given-up-on-castle/700585/29 "2014-10-08T19:54:07Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Sorry. I didn’t know they were trigger words. 🙂 > > Think happy thoughts. Picture a bullet proof vest with WRITER on it. Ah yes. Thanks all for the hints about what happened. I’ve been DVRing the Castles for a while, but I’m going to delete them tonight. I did like the mother and daughter characters, btw. And appreciated that up to the point I stopped they didn’t have a stupid kid in danger plot. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-given-up-on-castle/700585/30 "2014-10-08T20:58:41Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > And appreciated that up to the point I stopped they didn’t have a stupid kid in danger plot. They did eventually. She was kidnapped and taken to Paris. (And they actually filmed her scenes in Paris) ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-given-up-on-castle/700585/31 "2014-10-09T18:22:58Z")
ahh same ole same ole. The underlying plot line of the shadowy figure and some type of conspiracy theory has been in the series since it began. They ran it full out with Beckett; now it’s Castle’s turn. The show is still light hearted fun, the conspiracy episodes just aren’t as much fun. I’m not giving up on it yet. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-given-up-on-castle/700585/32 "2014-10-09T18:29:23Z")
I’ve given up on them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-given-up-on-castle/700585.md?page=1)