# Am I the only one who's not !OUTRAGED! over the death of Cecil the lion? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 29, 2015, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506 "2015-07-29T19:45:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/101 "2015-07-31T00:18:52Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > The hunting lobby tries its best to influence whether an animal gets listed. I know, why should we trust a bunch of wrasslers on animal welfare? [Kamala](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_%28wrestler%29) probably had a hand in it. They are [normally listed “vulnerable,”](http://www.cctv-america.com/2015/07/29/how-endangered-are-lions) which is one step below “least concern,” but better off than the various “endangered” categories. In certain areas, populations may be more or less healthy, but I don’t think they are a serious concern in Zimbabwe. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/102 "2015-07-31T02:13:49Z")
> [@Wile\_E](#): > > I also doubt that a hunter who frequently travels to Africa would not be familiar enough with the area to know if bordered a protected park that housed a popular black-maned lion. The dentist should have known the drill. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/103 "2015-07-31T03:23:42Z")
BBC is reporting 140,000 Americans so far have signed an online petition urging the US government to extradite him to Zimbabwe. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/104 "2015-07-31T03:33:49Z")
If the guy broke the law then he should face the music, but, really, it’s just a big cat and they die all the time. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/105 "2015-07-31T06:05:37Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > You know who doesn’t care about the dead lion in Zimbabwe? People who live in Zimbabwe: > [http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0Q41UW20150730?irpc=932](http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0Q41UW20150730?irpc=932) A couple of excerpts: > [@](#): > > For most people in the southern African nation, where unemployment tops 80 percent and the economy continues to feel the after-effects of billion percent hyperinflation a decade ago, the uproar had all the hallmarks of a ‘First World Problem’. > > “Are you saying that all this noise is about a dead lion? Lions are killed all the time in this country,” said Tryphina Kaseke, a used-clothes hawker on the streets of Harare. “What is so special about this one?” > > \ > > “Why are the Americans more concerned than us?” said Joseph Mabuwa, a 33-year-old father-of-two cleaning his car in the center of the capital. “We never hear them speak out when villagers are killed by lions and elephants in Hwange.” ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/106 "2015-07-31T06:29:01Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > If the guy broke the law then he should face the music, but, really, it’s just a big cat and they die all the time. No, they don’t. This one died in a way that is different. That’s kinda the point. ---
**Author:** ![Lobot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@Lobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobot)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/107 "2015-07-31T07:24:31Z")
The way I see it, he illegally hunted an animal that wasn’t even a challenge in the first place. Then they tried to cover up the crime. And he paid an obscene amount of money to do this. I’m not about to go on Twitter and personally attack the guy, but I’ll shed no tears as his career is destroyed and his life of luxury ends. Karma’s a bitch. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/108 "2015-07-31T07:42:36Z")
> [@Lobot](#): > > The way I see it, he illegally hunted an animal that wasn’t even a challenge in the first place. Then they tried to cover up the crime. And he paid an obscene amount of money to do this. > > I’m not about to go on Twitter and personally attack the guy, but I’ll shed no tears as his career is destroyed and his life of luxury ends. Karma’s a bitch. This. Exactly this. And according to Aus news reports, this isn’t the first time the arsehole has killed ‘wild’ animals in similarly dubious circumstances…so it’s not like he’s a victim of local rangers giving him false information. The man has too much money and too many guns…fuck, does it really make him feel more manly to kill? I just don’t get it. Hope his career is kaput, hope his photo is displayed on every entry port to countries with game parks, and hope his gun backfires into his face knocking every one of his teeth out. Now THAT would be karma. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lobot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@Lobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobot)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/109 "2015-07-31T07:50:15Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Hope his career is kaput, hope his photo is displayed on every entry port to countries with game parks, and hope his gun backfires into his face knocking every one of his teeth out. Now THAT would be karma. > > 😃 If his rifle is Wi-Fi enabled… ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/110 "2015-07-31T08:05:32Z")
> [@Lobot](#): > > If his rifle is Wi-Fi enabled… Even better… ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/111 "2015-07-31T11:08:04Z")
I hope he is tried and does even a little time, cause maybe then there’d be a cavity search. Heh. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mighty\_Boosh](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_mighty_boosh/32/1755_2.png) [@The\_Mighty\_Boosh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mighty_Boosh)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/112 "2015-07-31T12:39:42Z")
Not outraged particularly but the sight of a man who is clearly something of a cock suffering for doing something only a cock would do appeals powerfully deep within me. The subset of humanity which gets its jollies out of waving weapons around in whatever context needs to feel the ridicule their behavior invites. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/113 "2015-07-31T13:37:57Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > BBC is reporting 140,000 Americans so far have signed an online petition urging the US government to extradite him to Zimbabwe. 140,000 out of how many Americans? Did you do the math? Did a similar petition result in Piers Morgan being deported back to England? No. 140,000 assholes urging the US government to extradite someone to a foreign country is simply emotional diatribe. There is no warrant for the dentist in either Zimbabwe or in the U.S.A… But the ignorant lynch mob demands blood. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/114 "2015-07-31T14:39:42Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > And according to Aus news reports, this isn’t the first time the arsehole has killed ‘wild’ animals in similarly dubious circumstances…so it’s not like he’s a victim of local rangers giving him false information. Can you walk me through this reasoning in a bit more detail? Specifically how does your conclusion follow from the fact that he has a prior bad act? ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/115 "2015-07-31T15:04:24Z")
It looks like [Zimbabwe has initiated extradition proceedings](http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/world/zimbabwe-cecil-lion-dentist/index.html). We’ll see where it goes from there. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/116 "2015-07-31T15:05:16Z")
[Petition here.](http://www.thepetitionsite.com/821/738/351/demand-justice-for-cecil-the-lion-in-zimbambwe/)😃 I recall the early e-mail petitions of the 1990s, the ones demanding things like the Taliban stop oppressing women. All bow before the mighty e-mail petition. EDIT: I see it’s up to 909,000 signatures now. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/117 "2015-07-31T15:14:33Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > [Petition here.](http://www.thepetitionsite.com/821/738/351/demand-justice-for-cecil-the-lion-in-zimbambwe/)😃 > > I recall the early e-mail petitions of the 1990s, the ones demanding things like the Taliban stop oppressing women. All bow before the mighty e-mail petition. > > EDIT: I see it’s up to 909,000 signatures now. Ah, actually upon close inspection, that may be a petition for Zimbabwe to stop issuing hunting licenses. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/118 "2015-07-31T15:25:40Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > No, they don’t. This one died in a way that is different. That’s kinda the point. It died in a way that Zimbabwe considers to be perfectly fine as they are the ones issuing all of the licenses for all the big game hunters that are hunting there all the time and have been for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/119 "2015-07-31T15:29:08Z")
Okay, [here is the petition to extradite Palmer](https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/extradite-minnesotan-walter-james-palmer-face-justice-zimbabwe). Just short of 172,000 signatures now. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506/120 "2015-07-31T15:55:31Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > It died in a way that Zimbabwe considers to be perfectly fine as they are the ones issuing all of the licenses for all the big game hunters that are hunting there all the time and have been for a long time. It did not. According to the [Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority,](http://www.zimparks.org/index.php/mc/214-press-statement-on-the-illegal-hunt-of-a-collared-lion-at-antoinette-farm-in-gwayi-conservancy-hwange-district-on-1-july-2015-by-bushman-safaris-professional-hunter-theo-bronkhorst) the hunt was illegal for several reasons, including the fact that the landowner did not have a permit to take lions on his land. While it’s possible that the hunters misled him about the fact that Cecil had been lured out of a protected area, if he were at all concerned about the legality of the hunt he should have at least asked to verify that the permits were in order. At the very least he was criminally negligent. Blindly trusting that the professional hunters had made all legal arrangements without verifying would incredibly stupid, even giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he wasn’t in connivance with them. > [@](#): > > Mr Honest Trymore Ndlovu owner of Antoinette farm was issued with a hunting quota for 2015 which excluded lions. Antoinette Farm is located in Gwayi River Conservancy in the Hwange Rural District and is adjacent to Hwange National Park. The professional hunter is alleged to have connived with the Antoinette land owner to kill the lion. The incident came to the attention of the Authority on the 7th of July 2015 through an informer. This was followed by an investigation which clearly demonstrated that the illegal killing was deliberate. Firstly the land owner was not allocated a lion on his hunting quota for 2015. Secondly, the use of a bow and an arrow was meant to conceal the illegal hunt by using a means that would not alert the rangers on patrol. > > Execution of the illegal hunt violated a number of provisions of the Parks and Wildlife Act. > > The professional hunter violated Section 66 of the Act which regulates the manner in which trophy hunts are conducted. > > Both the client, Dr Palmer and the professional hunter violated Section 123 of the Act which controls the use of bow and arrow for hunting. > > The client also violated the Act through financing an illegal hunt. > > The land owner violated Section 59 of the Act which controls hunting on private land in that he allowed a hunt to be conduct without quota and necessary permit. > > From investigations carried out so far it shows that the whole poaching event was properly orchestrated and well financed to make sure that it succeeds. The professional hunter, client and land owner were therefore all engaged in poaching of the lion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-the-only-one-whos-not-outraged-over-the-death-of-cecil-the-lion/726506.md?page=7)