Amanda Knox

I wonder if she has a bug out plan in place, in case this all goes completely south and the US govt. does agree to extradite her. I certainly would if I were her.

Trying her at all was and still is absolutely ridiculous. Before any facts and evidence were strongly put together, they had her a suspect. The way they went about it was very wrong and very cruel. It is evident they were and are too lazy and inept to find out the real truth behind this matter. It appears to me this is a cover up, and they are hiding more than they are leading on. Could they be protecting one of their own? Or just trying to make themselves look good to the media and to their ridiculous country? They are a poor excuse for police officials and investigators. Amanda Knox is innocent and should be left to go on with her life peacefully without cruel and racist Italian police officials.

Amanda Knox murder conviction overturned by Italy high court

http://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-knoxs-ex-boyfriend-makes-final-court-appeal-093041840.html

Italy–a first-world country with more corruption than 3 typical Third-World country.

It’s a first world country economically. In terms of government, there are still people alive who lived under fascism and their court system has more in common with Catholic Inquisition than trial by a jury of your peers. They are still trying to figure things out over there.

The Italian justice system is just so alien to me as an American. That prosecutors can appeal an acquittal just seems so wrong

Well, it’s over now.

Update - the European Court of Human Rights has ordered Italy to pay Amanda Knox 18,400 euros in damages for violating her civil rights. This is in relation to her conviction for slander for accusing a bar manager of the murder while she was being held in custody.

Doesn’t feel like near enough.

Unfortunately she won’t get what she deserves.

I’m curious. Now that we’ve had some time between it, has there been any dip in Italian tourism? I know that, after I heard about this, I decided I would never go to Italy unless I saw signs this shit was truly fixed.

Granted, I’m unlikely to ever have the money to go globetrotting, and maybe those that can don’t think like me. But if I did ever have a real chance to go to Europe, I’d just skip Italy.

What countries are out there where something like this never happened?

Well, a quick Google search turns up this article from Nov 2018 showing “record numbers” of tourists. Other sites seem to agree that Italy continues to be one of the most popular tourist destinations in the world.

On the anecdotal level, I went to Italy once before the Knox case and twice more since, and will be going back again this Spring. I can’t imagine something like that keeping me from one of the most beautiful and culturally rich countries on earth. Plus, you know, the gelato :smiley:

True, but this particular case is related to her conviction for slander, not the original murder conviction. Apparently in Italy, if you’re accused of a crime, saying “Hey, I think someone else did it.” is also a crime. Even if you turn out innocent of the crime you’re accused of.

Also in Italy, accusing the police of abusing you is a crime, unless you can prove it. So I’m sure there is plenty of soap, socks, and phone books in Italian police stations.

If you claim that there has been this big a boondoggle in other countries–something so notable that it made international news to this extent–then I would ask you to provide evidence. Why should I assume on my own that equally bad things have happened in modern times in these first world democracies?

No, no justice system is perfect. I don’t expect them to be. But this was a huge mess, and it sure seemed to me that, despite the evidence, the Italian justice system wanted to foreigner to be guilty, and tried to railroad her. They even tried to punish her for claiming someone else did it!

Sure, there are other countries where I expect worse, like, say, the Philippines under Duterte or Brasil under Bolsonaro. Both are despots who have advocated killing people without trials. That’s one thing. And, of course, democracies broken by lack of funding and corruption are bad, as are dicatorships. But, among the European Union, Italy seems quite bad. Without proof they’d fixed things, why would I go there?

There are pretty, historic places all over that part of Europe. If I’m doing a European vacation, why wouldn’t I pick those places and avoid the more risky country?

The more I hear about their justice system, the more backwards it seems.

…do you know what country I have zero plans of visiting in the near future?

The United States of America.

Did you know that you have 17,985 different police agencies in the United States, no consistent standards of enforcement, so many police shootings that we don’t have an accurate record of how many of them actually happen, in some places in America they can confiscate my money for trumped up charges and I would have little-to-no hope of getting it back?

Yes, the Knox case was a mess. But at least Amanda Knox is free. Kalief Browder, locked up at 16, who spent 3 years detained at Rikers Island (just under two of those in solitary confinement), all for the crime of allegedly stealing a bag (SPOILERS: the case against him was extremely weak)…Browder is not free. Browder is dead. America’s history and its treatment of people of colour in the justice system is a poor one. America has the highest incarceration rate in the world.

One white American getting shafted by a justice system does not a pattern make. I have brown skin. I’m Samoan/Maori. And in the current climate if I decided to travel it would be much more likely that I’d get shafted in the American justice system than I would the Italian one. The reality is your just system is all sorts of fucked up: before you start pointing fingers I suggest you clean up your own backyard first.

Updating this thread:

" Rudy Guede, the only person definitively convicted of the murder of British student Meredith Kercher, has been granted permission by an Italian court to finish the rest of his sentence doing community service.

Guede, 34, was sentenced to 16 years in prison in 2008. Kercher, a 21-year-old student from Coulsdon, Surrey, was murdered in her home in the university town of Perugia in November 2007. Her body was found in her bedroom, partly undressed with multiple stab wounds. She had also been sexually assaulted."

In the U.S. he would have served substantially longer.

I wonder what ‘Community Service’ is like in Italy?

It is usually unpaid activity in favor of the community to be carried out, also working in social assistance organizations, at addiction centers.

I wanted to update this thread with an interesting twitter feed by Amanda Knox. I don’t know a lot about this story and hadn’t planned to see the latest Matt Damon movie anyway, but if I had been, her statements in this feed would give me pause.