# Amazing Race 11.28 football delay likely **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 28, 2010, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222 "2010-11-28T23:41:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/61 "2010-11-29T21:48:24Z")
> [@Velma](#): > > He sets off alarms in my head for “abusive” all over the place. And she seems to be classically responding to him as well. She knows he has a ‘temper’ and she is always trying to diffuse it, and talk him down. He always blames her when things go wrong. He is allowed to change his mind/give up, she is expected to take it. She apologizes to him when she hasn’t done anything wrong. He seriously seems like more than just a jerk to me, the way they interact shows classic signs of an abusive relationship. > > Abusers are often sincere when they apologize. They usually do really feel sorry for what they have done, but they don’t change their behavior and the cycle starts again. I just hope when she watches this all happening on tv she can see it for herself (any maybe her friends/family will see it as well.) Yeah, while I hate to speculate about or accuse someone of something as serious as domestic assault, especially on the sole basis of a TV show, if I found out that Nick was indeed physically violent with Vicki (or anyone else he gets pissed off at) it wouldn’t be the most shocking thing that I ever heard… ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/62 "2010-11-29T21:48:25Z")
My memory is the same as **twickster** ’s – they had to eat anything they touched that wasn’t fake. Otherwise your’re right, it would have been trivially easy. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/63 "2010-11-29T21:54:54Z")
Phil’s exact words (from the cbs website video) “Any real food the teams pick up, they must eat.” I did enjoy the replay of Claire’s watermelon incident though. Watching it a bit though, I don’t see any racers poking - they’re just looking very very closely at the food. So the rules they were given were probably more stringent. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/64 "2010-11-29T22:01:19Z")
> [@running\_piglet\_cheese](#): > > Have to agree about Nick. Hadn’t really noticed about what a douche he was until last night. I mean he was ready to give up in the restaurant because he was just bored hanging around watching Vicki puke. Nick was certainly douchey in this episode, but I didn’t see the restaurant that way at all. Quite the opposite, in fact; I saw him as supportive and concerned, eventually suggesting that maybe they should quit because Vicky killing herself on that challenge was ridiculous. EDIT: Also contributing to his episode-long tantrum was the pretty obvious fact that he mentally checked out while riding the half-hour-later ferry. He was ready to quit from then on. I’m actually a little impressed he held out to 4am. ---
**Author:** ![Moonlitherial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@Moonlitherial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonlitherial)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/65 "2010-11-30T14:08:24Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Phil’s exact words (from the cbs website video) “Any real food the teams pick up, they must eat.” > > … > > Watching it a bit though, I don’t see any racers poking - they’re just looking very very closely at the food. So the rules they were given were probably more stringent. Nat said in the cab they had to eat anything they touched. There are usually many more rules that the racers see that we do not. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/66 "2010-11-30T14:55:47Z")
> [@LH75](#): > > 25 minutes late > [@RachelChristine](#): > > I have no delay at all in NC. Here’s how football delays work: (Note that this never applies to the Western time zone, obviously. Only Eastern and Central time zones ever get football delays.) Most games are played at 1pm Eastern. CBS and Fox trade off “double-header” games, which go out to the whole country and don’t start until 4:15pm. So half the time TAR will be delayed when CBS has the double-header. There are a few other games that kick off at 4:05pm Eastern due to time zones. Tailgating is a big part of the NFL experience, and asking fans to show up at 6am for a 10am kickoff in the Western time zone isn’t realistic, so all Western time zone games kick off at 4:05 Eastern. These games are only broadcast to the home markets. This week happened to be a Fox double-header, so most of the country got to see Eagles @ Bears. The handful of West Coast games also played late were: Miami @ Oakland (CBS) Kansas City @ Seattle (CBS) St Louis @ Denver (Fox) If you are in what the NFL considers the home market for Miami or Kansas City, you got a delayed TAR. (Oakland and Seattle, in the Western time zone, are immune.) Everyone else got it on time. The OP is in Nebraska, and as shown by the orange part of [this map](http://the506.com/sports/?tag=2010-week-12) that puts him in the home market for Kansas City. Thus the delay. * * * **Next week** looks like another Fox double-header (Probably Atlanta @ Tampa Bay, but maybe Dallas @ Indianapolis) so **everyone should see TAR on time**. The only late game on CBS is Oakland @ San Diego, and since the home markets for both of them are in the Western time zone nobody will get delayed. The following two weeks are both CBS double-headers, so TAR will be delayed for everyone in the Eastern and Central time zones. ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/67 "2010-11-30T15:08:07Z")
Thanks for the clarification, **Ellis Dee**! ---
**Author:** ![jacquilynne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/67e7ee/32.png) [@jacquilynne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jacquilynne)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/68 "2010-11-30T18:37:00Z")
I really think that Team Tattoopid has a lot of the hallmarks of an abusive relationship – the aggression followed by apologies, plus the fact that Vickie is apparently responsible for calming him down and it’s her fault if he screams at her because she’s not doing a good enough job of that. I’d assume that they screened the teams for an actual history of physical abuse in casting, but it seems like this relationship could be headed that way. ---
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/69 "2010-11-30T19:47:34Z")
I was thinking the same thing as **jacquilynne** and **Velma** - if it’s not already an abusive relationship, it sure has all the hallmarks of one. He seems sincere in his tearful apologies, and probably is. But he also unreasonably angry at times and tends to blame it all on her. But shutting down on the harbor task was mainly the exhaustion talking, I’m guessing. Still a dick move though. ---
**Author:** ![lorene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@lorene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorene)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/70 "2010-11-30T20:02:54Z")
> [@corkboard](#): > > I was thinking the same thing as **jacquilynne** and **Velma** - if it’s not already an abusive relationship, it sure has all the hallmarks of one. **He seems sincere in his tearful apologies, and probably is.**. I understand the danger inherent in commenting about a person you only see in an edited TV show, but…I’m going to do it anyhow. I’m sure he is sincere in his apologies. That’s actually pretty common in abusive people, be they male, female, parents, SOs. Contrition followed by a promise to change. ☹ I get a really bad vibe from him. I also feel a little sickened by the fact that the editors and/or producers may be exploiting that to get an audience reaction. I don’t know. It just feels like seeing your sibling and their spouse have a big fight—uncomfortable amount of personal information. ---
**Author:** ![kiz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@kiz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kiz)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/71 "2010-11-30T20:32:48Z")
> [@lorene](#): > > It just feels like seeing your sibling and their spouse have a big fight—uncomfortable amount of personal information. That’s the vibe I got from watching Vicki while they were on the boat. It seemed she was in that very uncomfortable place between placating him, finishing the task, and knowing there was a camera recording the whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![zut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zut/32/2875_2.png) [@zut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zut)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/72 "2010-11-30T21:30:46Z")
I dunno. I’m not exactly advocating giving Nick a pass for being a dick, but I can see how he may have under-estimated the amount of stress he’d be under during the race, and over-estimated his ability to cope with it. He did make a comment about the race just not being fun anymore, and that kind of rang true. A game or a sport is supposed to be fun; at what point do you decide that it just isn’t worth it anymore, and the damage you’re doing to yourself or your relationship isn’t worth the promised reward? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/73 "2010-11-30T22:57:11Z")
There’s a difference between saying “Look honey, this race is making me so stressed that I’m being an asshole–a total abusive douche–towards you. A million dollars isn’t worth that to me. I really want to quit. I know that’ll disappoint you, but it’s better than the horrible way I’ve been treating you and everyone else.” and “You’ve gotten teh asthma so you can piss me off. Watching you puke is hard on me, I wanna quit! Now I’m all tired from watching you do all the work and I wanna quit moooore. You’re dumb to keep trying. You’re dumb to work. Work is for suckers. I’m tiiiiiired and craaaanky. Pay attention to me. I wanna quit so I don’t have to watch you do stuff.” ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/74 "2010-12-01T02:16:03Z")
hehheh, no doubt. Though I still take issue with characterizing Nick being unwilling to watch Vicky repeatedly gorge herself until puking as anything other than a point in his favor. That he would rather quit the race than watch her suffer/abuse her body doesn’t make him abusive or a bad guy. The rest of the second paragraph is spot on, though. I particularly like: “I’m tiiiiiired and craaaanky. Pay attention to me.” hehheh. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/75 "2010-12-01T02:33:56Z")
Would it be worth it to take a little vial of ipecac syrup on the Race? I mean, if you’re gonna hurl anyway, might as well get it over with. If that’s the fastest way to complete a task (eat, puke, repeat as necessary), then so be it. Or does ipecac mess you up enough that you don’t feel like eating for a while? ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/76 "2010-12-01T02:50:32Z")
Doesn’t sound like a good idea: > [@wikipedia](#): > > Pediatricians once recommended ipecac be kept in the home as a ready emetic for use in cases of accidental poisoning.[2] Current guidelines from the American Academy of Pediatrics, however, strongly advise against this and in fact recommend the disposal of any syrup of ipecac present in the home.[3] Many toxicological associations have also issued position papers recommending against its use as a first-line treatment for most ingested poisons,[4] because there has been no evidence that syrup of ipecac actually helps improve the outcome in cases of poisoning. Moreover, accidental overdose of ipecac can result when administered in the home.[5] > > A 2005 review by an HRSA-funded scientific panel concluded that vomiting alone does not reliably remove poisons from the stomach. The study suggested that indications for use of ipecac syrup were rare, and patients should be treated by more effective and safer means. Additionally, its potential side effects, such as lethargy, can be confused with the poison’s effects, complicating diagnosis. Ipecac may also delay the administration or reduce the effectiveness of other treatments, such as activated charcoal, whole bowel irrigation, or oral antidotes.[6] > > Abuse > Ipecac has been used by individuals with bulimia nervosa as a means to achieve weight loss through induced defensive vomiting. Repeated abuse is believed to cause damage to the heart, which can ultimately result in the user’s death.[7] Ipecac abuse has been blamed for the death of well-known singer Karen Carpenter in 1983. [8] It has also been used as an agent for Münchausen syndrome by proxy.[9] In the United States, ipecac is not sold on store shelves and a prescription is required to purchase it in quantities greater than one fluid ounce. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/77 "2010-12-01T03:45:32Z")
Sounds perfect for this use. If bulimics use it, it works well. All the side effects are for prolonged use, which is not this case. May as well say you shouldn’t do it because puking rots your teeth. And all the “doesn’t help with poison” stuff doesn’t matter, as the intended use would be that of a bulimic, not someone who was poisoned. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2010, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/78 "2010-12-02T22:30:38Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > **Next week** looks like another Fox double-header (Probably Atlanta @ Tampa Bay, but maybe Dallas @ Indianapolis) so **everyone should see TAR on time**. According to [the map](http://the506.com/sports/?tag=2010-week-13) for this weekend’s game, there are pockets on the East coast and in the midwest that will have a late game on CBS and so should expect delays. If you live in a red part on the first map, you’ll get delays. Otherwise you should expect TAR to be on time. (Most people.) The red parts are much of Wisconsin and Michigan, the NY-NJ-CT tri-state area, the greater New Orleans area, Augusta GA, and much of Virginia. I haven’t a clue why these areas will get an Oakland-San Diego game, but hey, whaddya gonna do. (After a little poking around, it appears that Augusta GA gets the late CBS game because that CBS affiliate is airing the annual Columbia County (GA) Christmas Parade instead of an early game. hehheh.) ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2010, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/79 "2010-12-02T22:48:59Z")
When my dog ate mouse poison (not much, but I wanted to be sure), I made her drink peroxide. Everything she ate was up before it went down. She wasn’t happy, but didn’t seem the least bit ill from it, minus the vomitting. StG ---
**Author:** ![aktep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f0a364/32.png) [@aktep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aktep)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2010, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222/80 "2010-12-02T22:55:59Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > The red parts are much of Wisconsin and Michigan, the NY-NJ-CT tri-state area, the greater New Orleans area, Augusta GA, and much of Virginia. > > I haven’t a clue why these areas will get an Oakland-San Diego game, but hey, whaddya gonna do. New York, Green Bay, and Detroit are playing 1pm home games, so their local CBS affiliates are contractually prohibited from showing a 1pm game. Washington and New Orleans are on the road at 1pm, and presumably their local CBS affiliates have no interest in airing a game no one will watch since the home team is on the other channel. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-11-28-football-delay-likely/562222.md?page=5)