# Amazing Race 7/31 (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 1, 2003, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258 "2003-08-01T01:01:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![lisacurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@lisacurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisacurl)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/21 "2003-08-01T18:36:15Z")
Another website ([televisionwithoutpity.com](http://televisionwithoutpity.com)) states that “The teams travel with two crew guys each. This is why, from time to time, you will catch references to the fact that when teams book flights, each team actually has to book four tickets, not two. If there’s not space for your crew, you can’t go.” I’m fascinated with the logistics of the show. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/22 "2003-08-01T18:52:50Z")
So what exactly are “oyster shooters”? Don’t deal with oysters much, myself. The octopi were bad enough; but when C/R mentioned how the suckers were still working and they were sticking to his teeth…that’s when I lost it. ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Tiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Mama\_Tiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Tiger)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/23 "2003-08-01T19:47:24Z")
Basically anything and everything you want to know about this show can be found at [televisionwithoutpity.com](http://televisionwithoutpity.com). My son introduced me to it recently – not shilling for another website here, but they do have some former Amazing Race contestants on there to get info straight from the horse’s mouth. Chris and Amanda from this season are on, as I quickly discovered. It’s interesting to hear the contestant viewpoint. And the logistics are difficult – like the camera guys having to get their equipment through customs at all those various countries. It can really affect teams’ travel plans. And the time penalties imposed for various infractions of rules – I understand that failure to perform a detour or roadblock, for example, imposes a 24-hour time penalty. Anyway, there’s all kinds of interesting details there. As well as delightfully snarky reviews. I just hope they come out with the earlier races on DVD – Papa Tiger was hooked from the beginning, but I was always busy at the time the show was on so didn’t start watching till the final couple of episodes last year, watching Flo whine and snivel her way into half a million bucks. (I thought Zach deserved the whole thing for hauling her lazy behind around the world, but obviously there’s no justice!) Now I’m totally hooked, and want to go back and see what I missed! And I’m also hoping that the show continues to catch on well so they keep having more races – Papa Tiger and I would be the team you love to hate, since we could go around the world at each others’ throats with the best of them (there’s nothing like two stubborn people who are always both right!), and betwen the two of us we could do about any challenge they could throw at us – as well as read maps with no English on them. It was lots of fun when we first got married and were living in Japan, navigating around the countryside playing “match the kanji.” But we got where we wanted to go every time, so presumably we could do it in other alphabets, too! ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/24 "2003-08-01T20:35:39Z")
So I guess I’m the only one here who has actually eaten raw, freshly chopped octopus that is still writhing on the plate? It looks a whole lot worse than it tastes. Sometime I’ll tell you about eating dog. ---
**Author:** ![djbdjb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@djbdjb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/djbdjb)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/25 "2003-08-01T21:04:53Z")
Reichen - “What are skivvies?” ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/26 "2003-08-01T21:39:27Z")
Definitely an entertaining episode even if I was certain from the start that it was non-elimination. All the teams played well this time, even the typically incompetant Jon and Kelly. I know if I went the food route my reaction on walking in would be “Oh god, seafood. Let’s go to the dojo.” And that roadblock certainly looked terrifying. I get the feeling that next week is going to all come down to the Fast Forward. Whoever gets it is in the final three and the only ones lacking right now are Reichen and Chip. However, if all three chase the FF someone is going to get screwed hard. It should make for a very tense race next week. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/27 "2003-08-01T21:45:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BiblioCat \* > \*\*And I still think Kelly’s a huge bitch. Jon was trying to encourage her while she was breaking the boards, and she kept turning around and telling him to shut up or shut his pie hole. In a really nasty way. It almost borders on verbal abuse. She’s just mean. I hate that they’ve made it this far. \*\* I agree about Kelly, but disagree about Jon. IMO, he wasn’t encouraging her, he was heckling, like he did during the “triathalon” segment (Shoot the arrow, shoot the blow-gun, throw the spear). Imagine trying to build a house of cards and having someone bumping your elbow. And it’s _especially_ bad since, just watching the show, I can tell that Kelly works better without someone yammering at her. Jon’s her fiancee…shouldn’t he know her better than me? Plus doing the mock kung fu crap at the martial arts school makes him look like even _more_ of an asshole. I really, _really_ want them to lose. Sadly, they won’t since they still have a fast forward and next episode is their last chance to use it. Fenris ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2003, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/28 "2003-08-02T00:07:48Z")
> [@](#): > > Sadly, they won’t [lose] since they still have a fast forward and next episode is their last chance to use it. Not necessarily – the Goats (do we know why the others are calling them that?) and the Clowns both also have FF’s, and Kelly and Jon got beat out for the FF last episode – that could happen again. (I hope. GO GOATS!) ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2003, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/29 "2003-08-02T00:27:41Z")
I’m pretty sure the Clowns have used their FF (very early on) and I’d thought the Goats had, too. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2003, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/30 "2003-08-02T00:28:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fenris \* > \*\*I agree about Kelly, but disagree about Jon. IMO, he wasn’t encouraging her, he was heckling, like he did during the “triathalon” segment (Shoot the arrow, shoot the blow-gun, throw the spear). Imagine trying to build a house of cards and having someone bumping your elbow. \*\* I didn’t think he was heckling her. Didn’t he just say, “Come on, you can do it.” ? Maybe he was, on second thought… they seem to delight in pushing each other’s buttons. Kelly is a bitch most of the time to him, though. I really hope they’re eliminated next. I’m fine with any of the other teams winning, but I mostly hope the Clowns win. ---
**Author:** ![karomon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@karomon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/karomon)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2003, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/31 "2003-08-02T00:34:19Z")
I don’t watch this show at all, but I had to see yesterday’s episode just because they went to Korea. When the squid was brought out, hubby and I almost bust our guts laughing. Those are difficult to eat! The little suction pads stick to your teeth and gums and you can’t pry them off. Mr. mon wanted to yell at the contestants for not using gochu-jjang paste to improve the taste, but I have a feeling that burning peppers would not have made the seafood go down any quicker. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2003, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/32 "2003-08-02T00:42:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kinsey \* > \*\*I didn’t think he was heckling her. Didn’t he just say, “Come on, you can do it.” ? Maybe he was, on second thought… they seem to delight in pushing each other’s buttons. > \*\* Kind of hard to say. The instant he opened his mouth, Kelly yelled “Shut up!” Almost a Pavlovian response. Those two deserve each other. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2003, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/33 "2003-08-02T01:12:44Z")
**Fenris** – according to [the cbs website](http://www.cbs.com/primetime/amazing_race4/leaderboard/index.shtml), Reichen and Chip are the only team still in it who have used the FF. (Are you thinking of the ATC’s?) ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Macphisto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b487fb/32.png) [@Ms\_Macphisto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms_Macphisto)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2003, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/34 "2003-08-02T03:23:42Z")
To give him the benefit of the doubt, I think that Jon may very well believe that he is being supportive and giving encouragement to Kelly in those situations (karate, the bow and arrow roadblock, etc.) However, he’s going about it in an _extremely_ irritating manner that almost invariably makes matters worse. But then, maybe he is just being deliberately obnoxious. Whatever the answer is, I agree that they definitely deserve each other. **twickster** , I think the Goats got their nickname because of their facial hair, but I’m not 100% certain on that. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2003, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/35 "2003-08-02T05:51:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JulKatBo \* > \*\*To give him the benefit of the doubt, I think that Jon may very well believe that he is being supportive and giving encouragement to Kelly in those situations (karate, the bow and arrow roadblock, etc.) However, he’s going about it in an _extremely_ irritating manner that almost invariably makes matters worse. But then, maybe he is just being deliberately obnoxious. Whatever the answer is, I agree that they definitely deserve each other. > > **twickster** , I think the Goats got their nickname because of their facial hair, but I’m not 100% certain on that. \*\* Kelly & Jon seem to be a team easy to not like, but I suspect more & more they’re hamming it up for the cameras a bit. They seem to really get along very well considering the verbal abuse they throw at each other. It has to be love or a pretty good friendship. After seeing Jon twisting Reichen’s nipples I’m just not sure about that boy, though. Straight guys don’t play with other guys’ nipples do they? A friend told me the Goats’ facial hair a while into the game has made them harder to distinguish from each other so yeah, that’s the source of the goat nickname. I can’t tell who is who really, but they are growning on me. I’m sure it’s all in the editing but they’re showing a lot more personality & emotion from those guys & it’s kinda cute how the Goat’s & Clowns are always on each other’s ass but they still decided to play nice & share a cab. That’s the main problem I’m having with the show now. I don’t want any team to lose, dammit. But Chip & Reichen & the Clowns are definitely my favs. Phil’s wardrobe??? Oh my god that guy is getting more outlandish every episode. Does he take his fashion tips from Liberace? I just bet you he picks his own clothes, too. That big 'ol queen. I think I want to see Phil get eaten by sharks next week. ---
**Author:** ![annieclaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5a626/32.png) [@annieclaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annieclaus)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2003, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/36 "2003-08-02T14:22:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by levdrakon \* > \*\*I think I want to see Phil get eaten by sharks next week. \*\* While wearing either of the hideous sweaters his mother/boyfriend obviously knitted for him. Ick! ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Tiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Mama\_Tiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Tiger)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2003, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/37 "2003-08-02T14:59:11Z")
And that coat that looked like a thousand Muppets were sacrified in the making of it. :eek: I have to admit that the Goats’ ineptness has a charm to it that has grown on me. At first I felt like, “Who?” whenever they came up – knew nothing about them, couldn’t see any personality traits that stuck out – but between their utter failure to address each other as _anything_ but “dude” or “bro” through the whole race, coupled with their getting lost and failing to see what’s right in front of their face _at least_ once every episode, I’m finding their surfer dude charm is sneaking up on me. But I’ve been a clown fan since day one, and am still pulling for them – they’ve done everything right, been smart, fair, kind, generous (remember them stopping to help Millie with that asthma attack early on in the race, not to mention pointing out the Missing Wheelbarrow Clue to the Goats?), and in my book _totally_ deserve to win. At least there’s no Flo this time to snatch it out from under them! ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2003, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/38 "2003-08-02T16:19:21Z")
Hey, lay off my man Phil! His winter wear may leave something to be desired, but his tropical attire is simply _fabulous_. ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Tiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Mama\_Tiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Tiger)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2003, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258/39 "2003-08-02T16:40:05Z")
Agree on the topical attire, but good grief, who on EARTH thought to put that coat and that sweater together? Someone elsewhere described him as looking like a Pez dispenser in it, or else add a purple hat and boots and he’d look like a pimp – the wardrobe people are on acid or something! (And I saw in an interview with Phil where he says he does NOT choose the clothes, so at least we know it’s not HIS bad taste!) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-race-7-31-spoilers/192258.md?page=1)