# Amazing Spider-Man #Last **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 26, 2012, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-spider-man-last/645228 "2012-12-26T21:58:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-spider-man-last/645228/21 "2012-12-28T17:04:21Z")
> [@Krokodil](#): > > It has possibilities, but not unlimited ones. A great character can be summed up in 12 words or less, and Superior Spider-Man can’t be summed up in under 30. Peter’ll be back by summertime. What happens when a great twisted mind suddenly and unexpectly untwists? 11 words. The makings of a hell of a story. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-spider-man-last/645228/22 "2012-12-28T18:34:36Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > That’s not spiderman…It’s his GHOST! > > When Spiderspirit#1 comes out, I might buy a comic book again. SpiderSpawn. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-spider-man-last/645228/23 "2012-12-28T18:37:12Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What happens when a great twisted mind suddenly and unexpectly untwists? > 11 words. The makings of a hell of a story. Er..yea, sure. 12 issues max. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-spider-man-last/645228/24 "2012-12-28T18:39:44Z")
How long was Wally West the Flash? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-spider-man-last/645228/25 "2012-12-28T19:06:51Z")
I read a great What-If a long time ago where Flash Thompson was bitten by the radioactive spider, not Peter. Flash becomes a super-villain, while Peter goes to work for Dr. Octavius, who dies, and Peter has to use his arms to defeat Spider-Flash. So with his artificial web-shooters and 8 arms and scientific mumbo-jumbo, Peter becomes Spiderman anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-spider-man-last/645228/26 "2012-12-28T21:27:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > How long was Wally West the Flash? Yea not the same. Super villan as Spiderman, Parker is a much more fleshed out character than Barry Allen ever was. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-spider-man-last/645228/27 "2012-12-28T22:06:20Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > Yea not the same. Super villan as Spiderman, Parker is a much more fleshed out character than Barry Allen ever was. But Doc has _full_ access to Parker’s memories plus his own intellect no longer hampered by a deseased brain. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2012, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-spider-man-last/645228/28 "2012-12-29T06:09:09Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > But Doc has _full_ access to Parker’s memories plus his own intellect no longer hampered by a deseased brain. Shrug. Read the issue and it was ok. Can’t see it lasting. These things rarely do. Perhaps this will be different. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-spider-man-last/645228/29 "2012-12-29T21:27:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > But Doc has _full_ access to Parker’s memories plus his own intellect no longer hampered by a deseased brain. That makes no sense. Your memories are you. If you have full access to Peter’s memories, then he is Peter as much as he is Doc Ock. Peter is only dead in the same sense that the original Doc Ock is dead. And do you really not realize that the status quo is God in comics? This won’t survive past the next movie, for sure, when there will be a new influx of readers who will expect Peter Parker to be Spider-Man, not Peter Octavius. It probably won’t even last that long, as big abrupt changes just don’t last, especially if they are controversial.\* The origin myth is set in stone, you can’t change it.\*\* I mean, with that adjective, they are flat out telling you that it’s just a gimmick. You can’t last having a title that’s about how you are superior to the previous incarnation. First off, they’re shoving in the face of fans that this guy is superior to the guy they liked. They’re only going to keep reading for a while to see old Spidey vindicated. If you don’t do that, you lose your readers from Amazing. Second, even if, somehow, people actually agreed that this guy was superior and would actually keep reading, who is he supposed to be superior to? It’s inherently referencing the original Spider-Man, keeping him fresh in everyone’s mind. \*And, yes, One More Day is not going to last, either. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what this is setting up. “Superior” Spider-Man is going to remember he used to be married to MJ because he has access to **all** of Parker’s memories, including the one that was buried so deep by Mephisto. \*\*Try that one on for size (read in Stan Lee’s voice) “Otto Octavius was a scientist who went crazy after creating biomechanical arms for himself. He found a man who was bit by a radioactive as a teen and gained superpowers, and had decided to save people. Otto Octavius, in order to save his life, swapped minds with this man and became… the Superior Spider-Man.” ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2012, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-spider-man-last/645228/30 "2012-12-29T22:30:55Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > \*\*Try that one on for size (read in Stan Lee’s voice) “Otto Octavius was a scientist who went crazy after creating biomechanical arms for himself. He found a man who was bit by a radioactive as a teen and gained superpowers, and had decided to save people. Otto Octavius, in order to save his life, swapped minds with this man and became… the Superior Spider-Man.” Your summary includes too much chaff - it doesn’t matter whether Doc Ock’s old body had mechanical limbs or not. I’d go with: “Doctor Octavius was a dying man, driven to a life of crime by brain damage suffered in a laboratory accident. But he cheated death, transferring his mind into the body of his greatest adversary, a superhero called Spider-Man. Suddenly free of the accident’s effects and with a greater understanding of his former nemesis, he vowed to continue Spider-Man’s work.” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2012, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-spider-man-last/645228/31 "2012-12-30T03:39:49Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Your summary includes too much chaff - it doesn’t matter whether Doc Ock’s old body had mechanical limbs or not. I’d go with: > > “Doctor Octavius was a dying man, driven to a life of crime by brain damage suffered in a laboratory accident. But he cheated death, transferring his mind into the body of his greatest adversary, a superhero called Spider-Man. Suddenly free of the accident’s effects and with a greater understanding of his former nemesis, he vowed to continue Spider-Man’s work.” Damn, that sounds good. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2012, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazing-spider-man-last/645228/32 "2012-12-30T05:01:18Z")
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