# Amazon Lord of the Rings series; The Rings of Power **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** middle-earth, amazon-prime, tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [March 3, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497 "2019-03-03T20:01:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/382 "2022-09-06T14:30:58Z")
Same. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/383 "2022-09-06T14:52:54Z")
Oh it’s far from being something to turn anyone away from the show, but to me it’s a hint of carelessness towards the lore. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/384 "2022-09-06T15:08:37Z")
Possibly they _don’t_ care, possibly they just care _more_ about telling the story they want without concerns of absolute lore purism. I’m with them on that, BTW - hell, I just unsubscribed from a Youtube channel I quite liked because the presenter went on a long rant about elves having to have long hair (and be White, of course). I certainly believe it’s _possible_ to go too far away from canon - I had high hopes for the Pratchett-inspired _Watch_ series, but what a clusterfuck that was - but “those common sounds wouldn’t be put together that way for another 1000 years” is nowhere near my threshold. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/385 "2022-09-06T15:11:44Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > the presenter went on a long rant about elves having to have long hair (and be White, of course). What about pointy ears? 😁 (I know he never apparently mentioned it.) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/386 "2022-09-06T15:12:32Z")
and thank Eru that the Balroqs hadn’t shown up yet. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/387 "2022-09-06T15:14:59Z")
I did see a very silly person suggesting that there wouldn’t be any tanned or even dark-skinned elves because the light of the trees was magical and therefore not like sunlight. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/388 "2022-09-06T15:52:28Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > but to me it’s a hint of carelessness towards the lore. Excuse me, I have to go find my eyeballs. I think they rolled all the way across the room. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/389 "2022-09-06T16:30:49Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Excuse me, I have to go find my eyeballs. I think they rolled all the way across the room. I have to agree with this. If some detail that doesn’t matter a bit towards the story being told is carelessness, you are probably going to nitpick this show to death. I went into this series not expecting them to match up to things laid out in the movies. Expecting them to follow every little thing Tolkien ever scribbled down on a scrap of paper is a pipedream. It’s just not going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/390 "2022-09-06T16:34:33Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > If some detail that doesn’t matter a bit towards the story being told is carelessness, you are probably going to nitpick this show to death. Yep, it’s some kind of irony that people use the term “canon” for fictional works, because it really is treated like an infallible religious text. It’s not. It’s just a story. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/391 "2022-09-06T16:34:53Z")
I willed myself to put aside my nitpickery and to try and enjoy the series for what it is. So far, so good. And to be honest, only a few people on this board are more knowledgeable of the Professor’s complete works than I am. So if I can do it, I would think most others can also. I’m going to have small problems with things but overall nothing too bad. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/392 "2022-09-06T16:36:02Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > And to be honest, only a few people on this board are more knowledgeable of the Professor’s complete works than I am. As I’ve demonstrated above, I’m no stickler for canon, but if you come across differences between the show and Tolkien, I would be curious about your observations. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/393 "2022-09-06T16:40:48Z")
In my various posts I mentioned many of them, including really minor ones like Galadriel being too young when the Trees were destroyed. Details on why the Stranger shouldn’t be anyone in canon. I talked about the Blue Wizards & Glorfindel back in February in fact. > [@Amazon Lord of the Rings series; The Rings of Power](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/87): > > On the Wizards. The two Blue Wizards (Ithryn Luin) actually did come over in the 2nd Age and then headed east. They could be part of an arc in the show. Tolkien kept adjusting the timeline of the Wizards and Glorfindel. Near the end, he had Alatar and his friend Pallando come over sometime in the second age. Same with Glorfindel. The best estimate is around the time of the forging of the rings. Say 2nd age 1600. Glorfindel being left out of the Lord the Rings movies was a big hit for me. Havi… etc. * * * * * * Though I do very much dislike Galadriel getting on the boat and trying to swim back, less a canon nitpick and more just stupid writing. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/394 "2022-09-06T16:41:37Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > In my various posts I mentioned many of them Yep, I read those. I’m just saying, keep doing it! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/395 "2022-09-06T16:42:04Z")
Will do. (I enjoy it as you know.) ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/396 "2022-09-06T16:57:29Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Yep, I read those. I’m just saying, keep doing it! 🙂 Yes, keep it up. I don’t mind differences being pointed out. I didn’t even mind the talk about the Nori name origins. What I think is over the top is saying it just wouldn’t happen because of something Tolkien wrote in a note that was never published or one paragraph out of everything he wrote. I’m not even sure I would want a movie/tv show to follow canon to such a small level of detail since I wouldn’t know about it in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/397 "2022-09-06T17:13:12Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Hobbits, for example, would have called themselves _banakil_ in Westron or _kuduk_. Samwise Gamgee‘s family name was actually _Galbasi_ or _Galpsi_. Farmer Cotton was actually Farmer _Hlothran_. The Hobbit family names Oldbuck and Brandybuck were actually _Zaragamba_ and _Brandagamba_. It was nagging at me, so I looked it up: Bilbo and Frodo Bagginses’ real names would have been Bilba and Maura Labingi. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/398 "2022-09-06T17:39:38Z")
Look, to each their own, I’m not saying “THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!one”, I’m saying you could have avoided calling your ancient Greek character from the time of Mycenae “Caesar” because you thought it was a cool name, I guess it is possible that the greek character coincidentally was named like that, we don’t have more than the Illiad to guide us, but it’s IMHO a mistake. ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/399 "2022-09-06T17:45:00Z")
Since the show is only allowed to use LOTR and the appendices is it fair to criticize it for contradicting The Silmarillion and other sources? ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/400 "2022-09-06T17:46:23Z")
Naming aside, I like Arondir, the elf played by Ismael Cruz Córdova, of all the elves on screen since the first movie his is the most “elvish” in my view, all the others mostly looked like humans with pointy ears. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/401 "2022-09-06T17:53:25Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I willed myself to put aside my nitpickery and to try and enjoy the series for what it is. So far, so good. And to be honest, only a few people on this board are more knowledgeable of the Professor’s complete works than I am. So if I can do it, I would think most others can also. Yeah, that’s what you have to do. We can enjoy the simple beauty and complain about the many many minutes spend on Galadrial swim/raft, without nitpicking. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497.md?page=21)