# Amazon Lord of the Rings series; The Rings of Power **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** middle-earth, amazon-prime, tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [March 3, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497 "2019-03-03T20:01:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/402 "2022-09-06T18:07:24Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > Naming aside, I like Arondir, the elf played by Ismael Cruz Córdova, of all the elves on screen since the first movie his is the most “elvish” in my view, all the others mostly looked like humans with pointy ears. I agree. It’s not so much his physical appearance, but his interests, behavior, etc. He feels like a real elf to me. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/403 "2022-09-06T18:09:43Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > I’m saying you could have avoided calling your ancient Greek character from the time of Mycenae “Caesar” because you thought it was a cool name, I guess it is possible that the greek character coincidentally was named like that, we don’t have more than the Illiad to guide us, but it’s IMHO a mistake. Well, the big difference here is that _this is fiction._ We have no reason to believe that the name Elinor would be inappropriate for a Harfoot from this time, because _anything that the authors invent can be true_. Second, we know some of the phonology and naming patterns of Mycenaean Greek peoples and we know some of the phonology and naming patterns of Classical Romans, and so we can compare them. However, when it comes to Hobbits, not only is it all made up, but _we know for a fact that none of the Hobbit names we see in the stories are meant to be their “actual” names._ See my comments above. So, not only does it actually not matter, it doesn’t even matter in the context of the world Tolkien has created. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/404 "2022-09-06T18:14:27Z")
As far as staying true to hobbit traditional naming customs … this is many years before. Traditions change. Some understandings of traditions origins are made up. But it is clear that the writers are not as steeped in the intricacies of lore as many fans are. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/405 "2022-09-06T18:21:35Z")
> [@sciurophobic](#): > > Since the show is only allowed to use LOTR and the appendices is it fair to criticize it for contradicting The Silmarillion and other sources? I think this is important to realize. And heck, maybe these small contradictions with The Silmarillion is a way to show that they aren’t impinging on a source they have no rights to 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/406 "2022-09-06T18:57:14Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > But it is clear that the writers are not as steeped in the intricacies of lore as many fans are. I agree but I feel that insisting on this would be detrimental to the thread so let’s just leave this flower alone. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/407 "2022-09-06T18:58:32Z")
I think it’s physical appearance too, perhaps combined with poise and presence, there is something inherently elvish about the way the actor comes across. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/408 "2022-09-06T19:18:03Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Details on why the Stranger shouldn’t be anyone in canon. > I talked about the Blue Wizards & Glorfindel back in February in fact. I’m no expert, but I don’t think it’s Glorfindel. He wouldn’t have magic powers, right? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/409 "2022-09-06T19:30:01Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > > [@sciurophobic](#): > > > > Since the show is only allowed to use LOTR and the appendices is it fair to criticize it for contradicting The Silmarillion and other sources? > > I think this is important to realize. > > And heck, maybe these small contradictions with The Silmarillion is a way to show that they aren’t impinging on a source they have no rights to 😉 This is my expectation. This series is _required_ to deviate from the Silmarillion because they don’t have the rights to it. Anything that’s specifically mentioned in that book that’s not mentioned in the LotR is a liability for a lawsuit. Personally, I’m going to judge this show as generic fantasy with some familiar context. I’m more into tone and characterization than setting details, anyway. I also think many modern viewers set their expectations in a way that leads to disappointment, instead of being open to whatever story a show wants to tell. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/410 "2022-09-06T20:00:04Z")
It really shouldn’t be for very many reasons. The definition of Glorfindel is Blond Hair & no beard. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/411 "2022-09-06T20:13:39Z")
“Could that be Gandalf?” my wife asked me, “Well canonically it shouldn’t because Gandalf didn’t arrive until millennia later” said I “but the way they are treating cannon it could be, heck it could be Kal-El from the planet Krypton too at this point” (This series wakes up my inner curmudgeon…) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/412 "2022-09-06T20:14:12Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > no beard. What about Cirdan? (I’m just taking the opportunity to show off one of the 5 bits of lore I know. No answer required 🙂.) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/413 "2022-09-06T20:15:16Z")
Cirdan was the exception to the rule. Also apparently had red hair. I learned that from **QtM**. The overwhelming majority of the Elves in Middle Earth were dark haired, {including Legolas}. Glorfindel and Galadriel’s Golden Hair was significant enough to be specifically mentioned and talked about. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/414 "2022-09-06T20:20:30Z")
It could easily be a Wizard or Sauron. Either Blue Wizard or Sauron would be less problematic that the other 3 wizards. It shouldn’t be an Elf, but I was tickled by the idea that **MrDibble** brought up of it being a sailor from the good spaceship [Vingilótë](https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Vingilot). It would be base breaking beyond hope if it was Tom Bombadil. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/415 "2022-09-06T20:20:45Z")
That’s another of my pet peeves with all the movies & series, the Noldor were black haired!, but they insist of showing 99% of elves as blondes when it should be the other way around, a bit of unconscious racism on the casting there if you ask me. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/416 "2022-09-06T20:24:13Z")
I think the less canon-breaking option could be a sailor from Vingilot (the blue wizards are at least implied to have arrived not many years before or after Gandalf) , you’ll have to handwave the magic someway though because the crew of Vingilot is supposed to be made up of humans, perhaps a Maia wanted to take a trip and fell off? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/417 "2022-09-06T20:29:20Z")
I keep saying this throughout the thread. In some of the Professors writings he has t **he Blue Wizards and Glorfindel arriving around the time of the forging of the Rings** not around 1000 Third Age like the other 3 Wizards. * * * * * * I don’t think any of the sailors of the hallowed out [Vingilótë](https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Vingilot) were suppose to be human. Even before being hallowed out, I think it was 3 Elves with Eärendil. I’ll double check. Here are the mariners names [Falathar](https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Falathar), [Erellont](https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Erellont), and [Aerandir](https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Aerandir). Apparently the writings are not specific is men or Elves. But most clues indicate Elf. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/418 "2022-09-06T20:32:03Z")
You got me there, I assumed the crew was human and didn’t know about the blue wizards and Glorfindel, in that case a blue wizard is a good option, a completely new character with whom they can do mostly whatever they want because we don’t have any canon about the blue wizards (I think we don’t even know their names?) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/419 "2022-09-06T20:32:53Z")
We have at 3 names for each Blue Wizard and that both where Maia of _Oromë_. We have for names: Alatar and Pallando Morinehtar and Rómestámo Palacendo (“\*Far sighted one”) and Haimenar (“\*Far-farer”). ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/420 "2022-09-06T20:35:03Z")
I’ve heard “Astando and Pallando” somewhere but it may have been fanfiction, what are the others? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/421 "2022-09-06T20:36:33Z")
Sorry, I wanted to get the proper spelling, but as I added above: We have for names: Alatar and Pallando Morinehtar and Rómestámo Palacendo (“\*Far sighted one”) and Haimenar (“\*Far-farer”). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497.md?page=22)