# Amazon Lord of the Rings series; The Rings of Power **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** middle-earth, amazon-prime, tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [March 3, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497 "2019-03-03T20:01:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/562 "2022-09-11T07:39:25Z")
Okay, I was wondering what was with the smoke covered barren landscape. My first thought was the escaped elf had paused because of the desolation, until he turned and I saw the arrow sticking out of his chest. That’s gonna put a damper on escape attempts. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/563 "2022-09-11T07:42:43Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > So only a couple of hundred years left for the end of Numenor and the battle of the Last Alliance. I’m guessing 3-4 years, top, in-series. Also, Sauron forged the rings before he went to Numenor - he went there after the war with the elves, and that started with the destruction of Eregion and the death of Celebrimbor. My guess is the series will go something like this: Season 1 ends with the Annatar and Celebrimbor starting to work together on the rings. Season 2 sees the forging of the rings and ends with the fall of Eregion. Season 3 sees the war between Sauron and the elves and ends with Sauron going to Numenor and Khazad-Dum falling to the Balrog. Season 4 is all about Sauron in Numenor and ends with the fall of Numenor. Season 5 is the War of the Last Alliance and ends with the fall of Sauron (with possibly a coda showing Isildur’s death) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/564 "2022-09-11T07:45:05Z")
An amusing tweet I stumbled upon today; > ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/565 "2022-09-11T09:03:12Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’m not feeling either of those - and the Witch King is considered more likely to be a Númenórean. Could the Witch-King be the Regent’s dad ( I missed his name) or the bearded advisor? He seemed shady. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/566 "2022-09-11T09:09:53Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > the bearded advisor Pharazon? _Definitely_ not him. He has his own part to play in the story. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/567 "2022-09-11T10:05:53Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Pharazon? _Definitely_ not him. He has his own part to play in the story. Somehow I completely missed that the chancellor was meant to be Ar-Pharazon. He’s going to wind up being a major player in the events to come. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/568 "2022-09-11T11:04:52Z")
I was concerned there wouldn’t be a lot of fun GOT-style intrigue. It seems I was wrong. I took the fact that the smiths were making weapons to imply a preparation for an attack? Or was it just to be more dramatic than making, say, a horseshoe? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/569 "2022-09-11T11:16:37Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I took the fact that the smiths were making weapons to imply a preparation for an attack? Or was it just to be more dramatic than making, say, a horseshoe? I didn’t read anything particularly deep into it. The scene just exists to create conflict for Halbrand. He wants to find a way to stay in Numenor because it’s a hell of a lot better than the orc-ravaged place he came from, and he tries to appeal to them with his experience as a smith, but they won’t accept him because he isn’t a member of the guild. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/570 "2022-09-11T11:21:12Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I didn’t read anything particularly deep into it. I don’t know - there were several shots of different smiths forging weapons. I think they were hinting that Numenor is preparing for war. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/571 "2022-09-11T12:15:38Z")
We’re just after watching eps 2 & 3. I’ve not quite bought into Galadriel as the warrior princess who also likes to ride and go to the library. Predictions for who is who are that Halbrand is some major baddie and the Stranger is some kind of major goodie but those expectations can and might be subverted. I reckon Adar is going to be one of the first corrupted Elves-Orcs and that he and Arondir will have a long character arc. And I’ll throw out a prediction: One of them is going to be Mouth Of Sauron. Also getting a kick out of the “convention” for the accents of races: The Dwarves for the most part have Scottish accents while the Harfoots have Irish (“We all loved him, but he was an eejit”). Poppy and Nori are practically (okay “proto”) _Derry Girls_. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/572 "2022-09-11T12:22:13Z")
One thing I’m pretty sure of: the series will end with Isildur (or his heirs) granting the Harfoots a track of land in Eriador to settle down and cease their migrations. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/573 "2022-09-11T12:23:34Z")
Well if we are in the later part of the second age the Numenorians are subjugating the men of Middle Earth to provide wood and materials for their navy and society. Less so further north and west were the elf-friend colonies were based. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/574 "2022-09-11T12:27:00Z")
> [@Coriolanus](#): > > And I’ll throw out a prediction: One of them is going to be Mouth Of Sauron. IIRC, the Mouth of Sauron is explicitly one of the “black Numenoreans”. And, being that he’s a mortal man, he wouldn’t have been kicking around in the Second Age. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/575 "2022-09-11T12:35:32Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > IIRC, the Mouth of Sauron is explicitly one of the “black Numenoreans”. Aye, this is true and I’ll back off my wild prediction. I do see Adar & Arondir as rivals in a series long arc. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/576 "2022-09-11T12:42:54Z")
Could Adar be one of the Avari, the so-called “Dark Elves”? ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/577 "2022-09-11T15:00:33Z")
I also saw the work happening at the forge as being meaningful, partially based on his reaction. I’m still liking the Galadriel parts of the story, including the fact that she’s not perfect…she really needed to ramp it down when they came before the court. I’m a little confused by the strength and combat abilities of the elves, but in any case, I still hate the Legolas style of fighting, and I hope they don’t go that way. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/578 "2022-09-11T15:20:27Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > I’m a little confused by the strength and combat abilities of the elves, but in any case, I still hate the Legolas style of fighting, and I hope they don’t go that way. I don’t think they’re any stronger than humans - just very, very experienced. They’ve all been fighting and training for literally centuries. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/579 "2022-09-11T15:34:18Z")
I just re-watched the fight scene, it was the scene of Arondir running up the chains that put me off, but on rewatching it’s sort of at the limits of being light footed but very experienced, so never mind. Also, I loved the demented warg, the first thing I thought of when I saw it was that it was something that Sam Raimi would have in an Evil Dead movie. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/580 "2022-09-11T16:05:44Z")
Halbrand is not reading to me at all like a going-to-be big bad. He’s looking very much like the Aragorn expy. > [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I took the fact that the smiths were making weapons to imply a preparation for an attack? Attack_s_, many and ongoing. At this point, Númenor should be already making war on the people of Middle Earth as [a colonial power](https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Lond_Daer). The timber for all those ships didn’t come from the island… ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497/581 "2022-09-11T16:09:54Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > I don’t know if the Galadriel part is poorly written or the actress is not very good I’ll go with some from column A and some from column B. I get that she’s still relatively young (although that seems like having it both ways, if the series is set near the end of the Second Age) and inexperienced, but for an elf renowned for her wisdom in the Third Age, she has precious little of it here. The actress seems awkward when she is not portraying the big-talking and overly-proud elf princess. Her expression while riding the horse was, I thought, cringeworthy. For this character to carry a large part of the series could make it rather a slog. It just occurred to me to wonder, if she is such a warrior now, what is going to change in a couple of hundred years for her to not be in the front lines alongside Elrond at the last battle of the Last Alliance. > [@Coriolanus](#): > > Predictions for who is who are that Halbrand is some major baddie I think that would end up being a major twist, if so. He appears so far to be showing all the signs of a classic movie hero. Remember he did save Galadriel from being dragged down and drowning, with no prospect of any reward at all. Yes, he comes from the people who supported Morgoth, but if we are right about the timing of this story (near the end of the 2nd Age) that was over 3000 years ago already. And, to parallel what Arwen said to Aragorn, he is that king’s heir, not that king. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-the-rings-of-power/830497.md?page=30)