# Ambassador to Canada....WTH America? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 9, 2017, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424 "2017-02-09T23:35:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424/21 "2017-02-10T18:00:58Z")
Even Sarah Palin doesn’t go around talking about how all the gays or the Muslims or the blacks need to be rounded up and killed. If she were ambassador, of course she would have diplomatic immunity. If she were ambassador and she pulled out a gun and shot Justin Trudeau in the face, she couldn’t be prosecuted in Canada unless the United States agreed to allow it. And certainly, a country can refuse to accept an ambassador from another country. It almost never happens, because in real life most countries send ambassadors to other countries to advance their interests, and not as a deliberate insult to the host country. If Trump really did try to send Palin as ambassador to Canada, then it would be taken by the Canadians as a deliberate insult. I’m pretty sure somebody would try to talk Trump out of it before it became public. Your guess is as good as mine whether he would listen. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424/22 "2017-02-10T19:40:29Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > If Trump really did try to send Palin as ambassador to Canada, then it would be taken by the Canadians as a deliberate insult. I’m pretty sure somebody would try to talk Trump out of it before it became public. Your guess is as good as mine whether he would listen. I think it very easy to guess that he would not. I don’t see how it’s a diplomatic-level insult. Palin’s a doofus but an ambassador’s job is to cut a few ribbons and say what the President wants them to do. Palin has never done anything mean to Canada. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424/23 "2017-02-10T20:00:15Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I think it very easy to guess that he would not. > > I don’t see how it’s a diplomatic-level insult. Palin’s a doofus but an ambassador’s job is to cut a few ribbons and say what the President wants them to do. Palin has never done anything mean to Canada. > **[Rumors of Sarah Palin as Canadian Ambassador Met With Hilarious Outrage |...](https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/02/10/rumors-sarah-palin-canadian-ambassador-met-hilarious-outrage)** > > 'If the Captain of Chaos wants to disrupt everything—including resetting relations with little ol' Canada—Palin would be the one to break the china' Canada is not happy about this at all ! ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424/24 "2017-02-10T20:39:28Z")
That doesn’t constitute a diplomatic insult. Canada would not have any reason to reject her. Most Canadians don’t know who the U.S. ambassador is NOW. I was intrigued upon looking up some of the facts to know what the Senate has to confirm the ambassador to Canada. I didn’t know the Senate confirmed EVERY Ambassador, but it seems they do. The Ambassador to Belgium had to be confirmed. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424/25 "2017-02-10T20:52:36Z")
I’m not saying that she would be chosen in order to send a deliberate insult. I’m saying that’s how Canada would interpret it. Yeah, ordinarily a former governor getting an ambassadorship would be no big deal, and actually a step up from the usual flunkies, see Gary Locke, former governor of Washington and ambassador to China. Except this is Sarah Palin. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424/26 "2017-02-10T21:02:05Z")
I can’t wait to see what post he comes up with for Orly Taitz. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424/27 "2017-02-10T21:29:01Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > My question is; would she, or would she not, be immune from prosecution for breaking hate speech laws when running her mouth about policy she disagrees with? She would have diplomatic immunity from our hate laws, but we could revoke our acceptance of her ambassadorship and turf her out of Canada. I’m for accepting her ambassadorship, but then giving her alternate facts concerning dates, times and locations of all activities to which she is invited, and routing all calls she makes to anyone in Canada to Rick Mercer on a live mic. Trump will assign a idiot wrapped in ideology to the job, so we might as well receive one that will offer good entertainment to those of us who like to point and laugh. I’m for [Ambassador Palin](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1119751/Sarah-Palin-family-fight-party-Alaska.html), [Senator Brazeau](https://youtu.be/fYlWiZMhaLE) and Prime Minister [Trudeau](https://youtu.be/fYlWiZMhaLE?t=9m57s) having a three-way in the ring (boxing match, that is). ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424/28 "2017-02-10T21:35:52Z")
The bright side to all this is she’ll be able to feed your entire country with her word salad. Hope y’all are hungry! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424/29 "2017-02-10T21:38:08Z")
> [@](#): > > And most Canadians understand me when I speak American! How is that possible? Even Americans don’t understand her when she speaks. Or blathers. Or whatever. She should be the new ambassador to Russia, she can just commute from her house. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424/30 "2017-02-10T22:05:44Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > She would have diplomatic immunity from our hate laws, but we could revoke our acceptance of her ambassadorship and turf her out of Canada. > > I’m for accepting her ambassadorship, but then giving her alternate facts concerning dates, times and locations of all activities to which she is invited, and routing all calls she makes to anyone in Canada to Rick Mercer on a live mic. > > Trump will assign a idiot wrapped in ideology to the job, so we might as well receive one that will offer good entertainment to those of us who like to point and laugh. I like your thinking! First the point and laugh, then the turfing out! Entertaining for both sides of the border! ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424/31 "2017-02-10T22:26:49Z")
> [@purplehearingaid](#): > > [Rumors of Sarah Palin as Canadian Ambassador Met With Hilarious Outrage | Common Dreams](http://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/02/10/rumors-sarah-palin-canadian-ambassador-met-hilarious-outrage) > > Canada is not happy about this at all ! [Rioting! Canadian Style!](https://www.google.com/search?q=i+am+a+little+upset+canada&safe=active&espv=2&biw=1132&bih=581&tbm=isch&imgil=c0djsHKGLOlPmM%253A%253Bmwppp4Z8knnnqM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fimgur.com%25252Fgallery%25252FGJskk&source=iu&pf=m&fir=c0djsHKGLOlPmM%253A%252Cmwppp4Z8knnnqM%252C_&usg=__WeBncs1gTNaQtjZI8JyHrpqPx20%3D&ved=0ahUKEwiP0t-KyYbSAhXhjVQKHec3BdEQyjcIKw&ei=uT2eWM-RH-Gb0gLn75SIDQ#imgrc=c0djsHKGLOlPmM:) ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424/32 "2017-02-10T23:26:59Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > > [@elbows](#): > > > > My question is; would she, or would she not, be immune from prosecution for breaking hate speech laws when running her mouth about policy she disagrees with? > > > > I’m thinking she would be immune! She could spend all her time slagging gay marriages, socialized medicine, Muslims, immigration policy etc. There’s a fair bit of room to cross the line in those topics for someone who likes to ‘keep it real’ and speaks sometimes without a lot of thought. > > > > I don’t think they’ll pick her, in the end, but I think the next name they put forward will seem much less offensive by comparison, no matter what their experience or politics might be! So this ‘near pick’ will have accomplished it’s objective, I’m guessing. > > 1. Of course the Ambassador of a country has diplomatic immunity. > 2. Of course Canada does not make it illegal to state one’s opinion on matters of politics. It is not “hate speech” to say you disagree with universal health insurance or immigration policy, for Christ’s sake. Criminal Code of Canada [https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-c-46/latest/rsc-1985-c-c-46.html#sec319subsec2](https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-c-46/latest/rsc-1985-c-c-46.html#sec319subsec2) > [@](#): > > Wilful promotion of hatred > > s. 319 > . . . > Wilful promotion of hatred > (2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of > (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or > (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction. > > Defences > (3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2) > (a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true; > (b) if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text; > (c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or > (d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada. [Sara Palin:](http://politicono.com/palin-blames-florida-shooting-obamas-policy-allowing-mexican-muslims-walk-freely-streets/) > [@](#): > > “It is Barack Obama’s policy of allowing Mexican Muslims to walk freely on our streets that has caused so much death and destruction recently, including this latest incident which has taken 5 innocent lives,” she continued. “Think about that for a second. Why were Mexican Muslims even allowed to walk our streets in the first place, I ask you? They’re, like, double the threat – they’re half Muslim, which means that they hate all of America by default, and the other half is Mexican, which means they can be very hard-working, but at the same time, they’re also very jealous of white people. And if, by some miracle, you were to add just an ounce of Germanic heritage to that, you’d have Hitler in the mix as well. That means they’d be the ultimate killing machine. They should have been incarcerated from the beginning. Instead, we’re left with this situation.” I don’t know if Palin would have been protected by s. 319 (2) (b) in a criminal prosecution if it were Canada in which she said such hateful things, but regardless of that, I believe that her having willfully promoting hatred should exclude her from admission into Canada, à la Doris Day’s blocking the Westboros, whether or not she is proposed by Trump for admission as the USA’s ambassador to Canada. Five Canadians – Muslim Canadians – were just murdered while at prayer in their mosque by a hate-filled nationalist fan of Le Pen and Trump, the day after Trump banned entry of Muslims from seven nations into the USA. He is a stochastic terrorist with blood on his hands. Palin is no better. All joking aside, letting either of them into Canada would be offensive. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2017, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424/33 "2017-02-11T01:45:27Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > [Sara Palin:](http://politicono.com/palin-blames-florida-shooting-obamas-policy-allowing-mexican-muslims-walk-freely-streets/) That’s not real. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2017, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424/34 "2017-02-11T01:54:12Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > That’s not real. The giveaway that it’s not Palin is she’s never that coherent. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2017, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424/35 "2017-02-11T02:14:08Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > That’s not real. Thanks, Lord Feldon, I fell for it. My mistake for not checking. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2017, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424/36 "2017-02-11T04:27:02Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > If she were ambassador, of course she would have diplomatic immunity. If she were ambassador and she pulled out a gun and shot Justin Trudeau in the face, she couldn’t be prosecuted in Canada unless the United States agreed to allow it. This would be a wicked good way to get one’s assassin killed, _Huey Long Style_. One programmes Sarah to shoot the Prime Minister; the grief-stricken guards, knowing the death penalty won’t apply: a/ because it’s Canada. b/ because it’s the American Ambassador. c/ because Sarah Palin standing on a trap-door would arouse the wrath of millions of Americans regarding her as a second Jeanne d’Arc, and provoke them invading _en masse_ howling for revenge. let blaze and fill her with more holes than a caribou that threatened her children… ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2017, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424/37 "2017-02-11T04:32:21Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I think it very easy to guess that he would not. > > I don’t see how it’s a diplomatic-level insult. Palin’s a doofus but an ambassador’s job is to cut a few ribbons and say what the President wants them to do. Palin has never done anything mean to Canada. In some countries this may be true. But it’s insulting to career officers who are deeply involved with their host countries, and sometimes are murdered in the line of duty. ---
**Author:** ![RadicalPi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/radicalpi/32/9806_2.png) [@RadicalPi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RadicalPi)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2017, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424/38 "2017-02-11T06:33:04Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > (This is incredibly precious, IMO, as it’s already the height of indulgence for a country to send “ambassadors” to a church headquarters. Beggars, choosers, etc. But it does happen.) What makes you think the Vatican is a beggar here? They currently have diplomatic relations with 180 countries, and that despite all the requirements you find “precious.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambassador-to-canada-wth-america/779424.md?page=1)