Which is exactly what ***has ***been permitted here, as long as it doesn’t flout board rules. We’ve had perhaps literally 50,000 posts on this forum slamming Trump or Trump voters since Election Night 2016, that weren’t given warnings by moderators, because they were venting that was within the rules. People were and are allowed to get hot and vent anger as long as they didn’t cross “The Line.”
I agree that “The Line” is often unclear or vague, but people were perfectly fine venting the heat of their anti-Trump anger as long as they didn’t cross it.
Remember, lately people have been attempting to redefine “racism” so that only white people can be racist and nothing said about white people can be racist. It is yet another example of newspeaking in action.
Technically an opinion, but pretty demonstrably true, I would think.
This sounds like something an overwhelming majority of posters, including white posters, would write in The BBQ Pit. I’ve pretty much written as much on multiple occasions.
I’ve written that Trump supporters are bacteria in the Pit. Perhaps this warning is premised on the fact that it was posted in the wrong forum? Okay, maybe I could see that. But we do sometimes occasionally use strong, figurative language outside the pit.
I mean, is this necessarily wrong? I would have to agree that having a more diverse country in which power is shared might be at least thought of as at least one solution to the current problem. I don’t think diversity in and of itself removes friction, but with proper governance, it could help.
I’m struggling to understand what’s necessarily wrong here. I’m guessing we whites just aren’t always in the mood to have our power questioned and challenged.
Pick up the original constitution and read through it again, and tell me which group created a new nation on the foundation of white supremacy. Which ethnic group wrote said constitution? Which ethnic group was enslaved?
And since someone tossed around the word ‘genocide,’ which other ethnic group was subjected to genocide? Hint: it wasn’t whites, we’re still here.
Exactly your own biases and understandings, you won’t come right out and say you hate whites, it’s just ‘whiteness’ you hate, that’s why your looking for the mods to ok it so you can try and move the line of what’s ok. It’s pretty obvious from your posting history you have a problem with whites, not as in ‘whiteness’ but as in the monolithic group of people why not just come out and admit it?
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Oh we’ve got a mind reader here, but hey I’ve been careful to say all this without actually going over the magic line.
Your post has nothing to do with mine, even though you are responding directly to my words.
Thanks for sharing your opinion, I’m so thankful I won’t respond to what you wrote.
If I substituted black for white, and Obama for Trump and said the same thing, you would want that modded. It seems like you only want to allow opinions you either agree with or you subjectively believe to be true.
It’s unfortunate because the post does contain a grain of truth, as for example the fact that many Trumpists are indeed driven by anger and fear, and that white supremacists – though their numbers may not be large – have tended to coalesce around Trump. But then it goes off the rails in blaming the white race for everything and becomes racist and incoherent, IMHO.
I’d be happy to discuss the concept of whiteness in an appropriate thread, since it’s clear here that you don’t actually understand it. But it wouldn’t be appropriate here.
Somehow you read my mind, even though this post doesn’t really seem to answer anything I wrote. But I appreciate your sentiment nonetheless.
This is something people don’t understand about “whiteness” - it’s not people with white skin.
Think about it: Barack Obama has one black parent, and one white parent. He could be called the first black president, but he could never be called a white president, even if his skin had been a lot paler.
That asymmetry is “whiteness.” It’s not about ancestry, not about skin color. It’s about how people perceive “purity,” and how wrong they are about that asymmetry.
I want to ask what is actually being suggested here, policy-wise. Should mods actually give a 30% leniency cushion to posts that contain invective against white people, versus posts against black people?
Mods should realize that most of this board is white and male. When people who aren’t a) white and/or* b) male try to post something that seems (ZOMG) “offensive,” try to understand the viewpoint of the poster…if we’re really about fighting ignorance, that is.
*I’m putting that out there for my sisters on this board - I do love sisters - who don’t feel they have respect and have a voice. It’s not just about race; women are under-represented on the Dope and I’m tired of women (white/black/brown/yellow/whatever) being tone-policed and told what their experiences are by macho white males.
I realize that this is mainstream doctrine among the academic left, but it’s still nonsense. Doing harm is about power. It’s quite possible for someone to have racist attitudes, to treat another race as a monolithic group and wish harm on all people in that group, while being powerless to actually harm them. To suggest otherwise is a disingenuous semantic game.
Why not accept your ignorance. Accept that you don’t know what racism is. Unless you’ve actually experienced real racism and a loss of opportunity, power, or benefit as a result of your race, you will never know.
I fully accept that I have never experienced the effects of racism. And that the first thing we must always do is listen to the experiences of people who have. Anti-white racism is not a threat to anyone, and I’m not arguing for symmetrical moderation - I don’t agree with the simplistic “how would that look if you substitute black for white” metric that some posters have suggested above.
It’s perfectly understandable that people of color who have been exposed to a lifetime of racism may be angered by the experience, and we must listen to what they have to say. But I don’t think this implies that people of color should be treated in the patronizing manner that you imply, that their experience of racism has so deranged them that they should be treated as permanent victims, utterly incapable of controlling themselves and adhering to any standards of discourse.
