# amelia earhart

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amelia-earhart/718257>\
**Category:** Factual Questions\
**Created:** [April 22, 2015, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amelia-earhart/718257 "2015-04-22T04:16:09Z")\
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**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amelia-earhart/718257/21 "2015-04-22T15:37:49Z")

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50 years after Earhart, Dr. Harriet Hall reported a similar glass ceiling in the US military. She says she was prohibited from attaining the rank that men were, purely due to her sex. She wrote a book about her experiences, [Women aren’t supposed to fly.](http://www.amazon.com/Women-Arent-Supposed-Fly-Memoirs/dp/0595499589) It’s a fun read and I recommend it.

Now in retirement, Dr. Hall is active on the [JREF site](https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/category/acupuncture/) with good medical advice.

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**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amelia-earhart/718257/22 "2015-04-22T19:11:27Z")

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Even today, there are “unwritten” barriers only recently broken or yet to be broken.

No law prevented a Person of Negro Ancestry from being president, but it was nevertheless Big News even in modern times when it happened.

No law prevents a Person of the Female Description from being president, but it will nevertheless be Big News when it happens. It was even Big News when the first Person of the Female Description was candidate for Vice President (Geraldine Ferraro, 1984).

[aside]  
Amelia Earhart is still seen as a local home-town hero in North Hollywood. Her home base was at the then-Lockheed Airport (now Hollywood-Burbank Airport, a.k.a. Bob Hope Airport). The North Hollywood public library is named after her, and there is a statue of her in front. ([Photo.](http://dailynews.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=25963213&event=854300&CategoryID=26304))  
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**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amelia-earhart/718257/23 "2015-04-22T19:18:51Z")

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> [@drewder](#):
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> I guess my main question is: Is there any evidence that there was a barrier against female pilots that Amelia Earhart overcame? The small number of female pilots is not in and of itself evidence of such if any female who chose to be a pilot was able to become one. Assuming an anti-female bias without evidence is not helpful and is how myths are born. “Everyone knows” is not evidence.

Maybe the evidence is the numbers themselves. Maybe you should approach your analysis from the other side. If women make up approximately half of the population why weren’t there more of them in aviation at that time?  
What was causing the obvious numerical bias?

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**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amelia-earhart/718257/24 "2015-04-22T19:25:02Z")

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To late for edit.

I once met [Ila Loetscher](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ila_Loetscher) who became the first licensed native Iowa female pilot. She was encouraged to get her license by Amilia.

Sorry, I didn’t ask her if she saw any barriers.

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**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amelia-earhart/718257/25 "2015-04-22T19:25:21Z")

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> [@Whack-a-Mole](#):
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> She was not the first woman pilot.
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> She was the first woman to solo fly across the Atlantic.

Just as Lindbergh was the fourth pilot to fly across the Atlantic.

A lot of arguments here miss the critical categorization:\*\* Each was the first of their gender to fly \*solo \*and _nonstop across the Atlantic._ That’s one (1) flying record, which does not necessarily compare to earlier nonstop flights with multiple pilots, or solo flights that involved interim stops. They aren’t even necessarily among the greatest events in flight.

Each just happened to be an achievement that caught the imagination of the public.

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**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amelia-earhart/718257/26 "2015-04-22T20:07:18Z")

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> [@bob\_2](#):
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> Amy Johnson flew from England to Australia in 1930

In a gipsy moth. Holy cow!

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**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amelia-earhart/718257/27 "2015-04-22T21:18:40Z")

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> [@Senegoid](#):
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> It was even Big News when the first Person of the Female Description was candidate for Vice President (Geraldine Ferraro, 1984).

First female candidate for the vice-presidency from a major party.

Angela Davis ran for the vice-presidency in 1980 and 1984 as a member of the Communist Party USA. Geraldine Ferraro’s run as a Democrat was not until 1984. (I am not sure whether other women in minor parties preceded Davis, and, if so, on how many states they got on the ballot.)

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