# America and Oil and Iraq **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2005, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-and-oil-and-iraq/324653 "2005-10-03T22:45:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 2\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-and-oil-and-iraq/324653/61 "2005-10-11T19:56:38Z")
> [@enitocinnlonahte](#): > > All of which must have been considered before the war began. Nonsense. Bush and his neocons thought everybody would throw flowers and kisses, not bullets and IEDs. I expect they believed we’d be in Iran or Syria ( or both ) by now. As far as I can tell, they didn’t _consider_ anything; they just _decided_ what was going to happen, and were quite surprised when mere reality declined to obey. ---
**Author:** ![enitocinnlonahte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@enitocinnlonahte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enitocinnlonahte)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-and-oil-and-iraq/324653/62 "2005-10-12T01:50:57Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > Nonsense. Bush and his neocons thought everybody would throw flowers and kisses, not bullets and IEDs. I expect they believed we’d be in Iran or Syria ( or both ) by now. As far as I can tell, they didn’t _consider_ anything; they just _decided_ what was going to happen, and were quite surprised when mere reality declined to obey. [http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm](http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm) If the agenda is driven by neocons, then you are wrong. I think you are a bit too comfortable with your assumption that the government is headed by senseless retards. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-and-oil-and-iraq/324653.md?page=3)