# America is Sterilizing ICE Detainees!? What-The-Actual-Fuck...? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 15, 2020, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660 "2020-09-15T09:46:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/101 "2020-09-16T20:59:35Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > As far as evangelicals are concerned, Trump is now on the enemy side. Bullshit, unless you can cite prominent evangelicals that supported Trump that have switched sides because of this. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/102 "2020-09-16T21:05:34Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > As far as evangelicals are concerned, Trump is now on the enemy side. I’ll be charitable and say that you are exceptionally optimistic about many U.S. Evangelicals. They’ve spent the past four years contorting their thinking, and finding ways to ignore Trump’s numerous, documented faults, and I don’t see this changing now. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/103 "2020-09-16T21:18:00Z")
We shouldn’t lose track of one other characteristic that defines many Evangelicals: > Many abortion patients reported a religious affiliation—24% were Catholic, 17% were mainline Protestant, 13% were evangelical Protestant and 8% identified with some other religion. > **[Characteristics of U.S. Abortion Patients in 2014 and Changes Since 2008](https://www.guttmacher.org/report/characteristics-us-abortion-patients-2014#)** > > Background Abortion is common in the United States and is a critical component of comprehensive reproductive health care.1 However, information about individuals who have abortions is limited. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/104 "2020-09-16T21:38:29Z")
As has been said, forced sterilization of incarcerated women is nothing new. It isn’t even something that just happened back in the 1930, or trickled on into the early 70s. Here’s an article about a rogue doctor who coerced and lied to women, or simply performed sterilizations without proper authorization in the California prison system. That was this century–within the last 20 years. It is not clear to me what the doctor was getting out of this; whether he thought it was for their own good, for extra money, cruelty, or just carelessness. 148 cases were documented, so not just a few, either. > **[Calif. prison doctor linked to sterilizations no stranger to controversy -...](https://revealnews.org/article/calif-prison-doctor-linked-to-sterilizations-no-stranger-to-controversy-2/)** > > California prison doctor linked to hundreds of inmate sterilizations has a history of malpractice settlements and patient complaints. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/105 "2020-09-16T21:41:32Z")
You left out the so-called “justification” of eugenics, of sterilizing some people out of the deluded belief that forcing this on people without their consent will improve the human race at large. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/106 "2020-09-16T22:01:49Z")
If true, that’s horrible. What is the turnaround time for OIG on these sorts of things? Can the federal government preemptively send a representative to the hospital just to provide a second opinion on transfers for historectomies going forward? Also, I’ve always wondered about hospitals citing privacy laws and refusing to comment on specific patients. Can’t you just bring the patient with you when you ask about the specifics? Let them give consent then and there. Or buy victims a secondary opinion from another OB-GYN, who has the right to review private medical records and tell the patient if they’ve been wronged. Then the patient can ask this less suspicious doctor to publicly confirm. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/107 "2020-09-16T22:07:10Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > What do you feel are the values that motivate evangelicals? Loyalty to the Cult of Trump. Their religious beliefs are a distant second. If their religious beliefs were important, they’d be having nothing to do with Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/108 "2020-09-16T22:19:44Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Bullshit, unless you can cite prominent evangelicals that supported Trump that have switched sides because of this. In the twenty-four hours since this story broke? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/109 "2020-09-16T22:23:00Z")
You made the proclamation. On what did you base it on? Certainly not all the other times they supported him despite his words and actions. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/110 "2020-09-16T22:27:10Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > > As far as evangelicals are concerned, Trump is now on the enemy side. > > I’ll be charitable and say that you are exceptionally optimistic about many U.S. Evangelicals. They’ve spent the past four years contorting their thinking, and finding ways to ignore Trump’s numerous, documented faults, and I don’t see this changing now. I mentioned the Cyrus argument already. Evangelicals have already had this discussion. They recognize that Trump is not one of them. But they are willing to overlook Trump’s faults because they feel he’s been on their side on what they consider to be the one most important issue. Which is why the consequences for Trump wavering on that issue would be so costly for him. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/111 "2020-09-16T22:41:40Z")
The problem with evangelicals backing off from Trump is that they have too much public investment in him, and when you start believing that your god is inspiring your decisions it is _very_ hard to back off from such an investment without admitting that either you aren’t as close to your god as you claimed to be, or worse, that your god made a mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/112 "2020-09-17T00:04:48Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > You left out the so-called “justification” of eugenics, of sterilizing some people out of the deluded belief that forcing this on people without their consent will improve the human race at large. > [@Max\_S](#): > > If true, that’s horrible. Oh, absolutely it’s true that there are people like that - that’s why my late spouse was sterilized as a child without the consent or even the knowledge of his parents, much less himself. That’s why I find it so believable - I lived 30 years with someone that had been done to. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/113 "2020-09-17T00:05:55Z")
You’d have to be dumb as shit to think this will change a single evangelical’s vote. Where it’s true or false this will only get Trump more votes from that contingent. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/114 "2020-09-17T02:55:23Z")
I meant to respond to the original post, but eugenics is still horrible. So is sterilizing kids. Wow. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/115 "2020-09-17T11:40:13Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > meant to respond to the original post, but eugenics is still horrible. So is sterilizing kids. Wow. And yet… so many in the US don’t know that not only was this done in the US up through the 1970’s, in many cases it was the law. It wasn’t an option but a mandate. For example, for many decades Missouri had a law on the books requiring the sterilization of people with epilepsy. Your 6 year old had a seizure or two? Off to get snipped! Through the 1970’s Which is why I find this so believable. There are still a lot of people who think it’s a grand thing to yank out the reproductive ability of other people “for the greater good”. As they define it. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/116 "2020-09-17T11:51:31Z")
This wouldn’t be the first time I’ve heard a Georgia doctor doing crazy racist shit. I was working with a family practitioner waaaay out in the countryside, and he was telling me his predecessor made a point of identifying medicines that caused erectile dysfunction and specifically prescribing those medications to black men. I have no idea what the underlying rationale was except obviously we have to keep the wild population of black phalluses to a minumum. It’s horrible when doctors abuse their professional clout for racist purposes, but they’re far from the only profession who does it. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/117 "2020-09-17T15:43:29Z")
More claims are surfacing: > **[ICE Almost Deported Immigrant Woman Who Says She Got Unwanted Surgery While...](https://www.npr.org/2020/09/16/913698689/ice-almost-deported-immigrant-woman-who-says-she-got-unwanted-surgery-while-deta)** > > As explosive allegations were coming to light about immigrant women who say they've been subjected to unwanted hysterectomies and other procedures, one of those detainees was nearly deported. > independent lawyers for several other women have come forward with similar allegations about unnecessary medical procedures, including hysterectomies. Jayapal says the total is now at least 17. Proper investigation very definitely needed. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/118 "2020-09-17T15:57:33Z")
Yeah, but it wouldn’t surprise me if victims and witnesses are “accidentally” bumped up in deportation priority and shuffled out of the way. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/119 "2020-09-17T19:36:33Z")
Yes, one of the women was actually on a plane out of the country, but they got her off the plane before it left. Pramila Jayapal wanted her to testify to Congress, and since the detainee was in Houston, she enlisted Barbara Lee to help. But they’d already shipped the woman to Chicago, and that’s where they got her off the plane. And this woman had been in the U.S. since she was three years old! Insanity. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660/120 "2020-09-17T21:27:12Z")
Loyalty to their guns and money is very strong as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-is-sterilizing-ice-detainees-what-the-actual-fuck/920660.md?page=7)