# America! It's People Helping People - Unless a 'scary' guy is involved **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 24, 2004, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031 "2004-06-24T15:55:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/141 "2004-06-30T13:44:39Z")
> [@OleOneEye](#): > > What kind of apology could possibly make up for what he did? I never said I accepted the apology. The point is…like weirddave suggested, I don’t think he deserved a bullet in the head to put him out of his misery. I don’t think he should be killed for what he did to me, nor do I think he should be in prison for the rest of his life. What he did was heinous…and hurts me to this day and damaged my relationship with my parents permanently, however, not once have I said “I wish someone had shot him in the head”. I think it’s possible that young men make grevious and terrible mistakes in a world of confusion and hormones and drunkeness and ‘youth power’ and that they should not have to pay for it with their lives. It may, unfortunately be true that some rapists, no matter how hard we try, cannot be rehabilitated, but I don’t think that’s the case for every one of them. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/142 "2004-06-30T13:48:58Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > That said, go fuck yourself. Where the hell did I say anything close to “wasting” anyone in my first response? Want to put words in my mouth? Go ahead. No thanks darling, why don’t you read mine instead. It was **Starving Artist** who said he would waste the rapist, and that’s who I have been referring to the whole time. > [@](#): > > You don’t think having a woman in a hammerlock is a big deal? No, really. That isn’t a big deal? Contrarily, I think it’s a very big deal as a hammerlock can result in a woman being used as an immovable human shield, which i’ve mentioned about three times in this thread. > [@](#): > > That says a lot on your view of rape. I guess I take it more seriously. Yeah, I’m absolutely SURE that’s the case :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > But by all means, keep telling me what my posts mean. Even if you have to make it up. :rolleyes: And please, you continue doing the same. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/143 "2004-06-30T14:31:50Z")
> [@jarbabyj](#): > > No thanks darling, why don’t you read mine instead. It was **Starving Artist** who said he would waste the rapist, and that’s who I have been referring to the whole time. A slight nitpick here, if I may. I didn’t say I would have wasted him, I said a hypothetical person could approach closely and waste him. This was early in the thread and duffer made some comment about what would have happened if he’d been there with his .38. You responded in such a way as to indicate concern for the victim should the struggle make it dangerous for her if anyone was to shoot. Your exact words were: \*"Or here’s another, more exciting scenario, you aim for the big scary rapist and he moves just a hair and you blow the innocent woman’s head off. But I"m sure you’ll come back and tell me you’ve got perfect aim and have never missed a shot in your life."\* I then posted my response, which was to say: \* “What you do is approach closely enough to have a clear shot, and then you rescue the woman. (Because actually, no rape would have occurred at this point, so you would otherwise be shooting someone for putting a woman in a headlock.) If on the other hand, you caught him in the act and he tried to drag her off for more, then you _could_ apprach closely like I said and waste him.”\* Notice I said you approach closely and rescue the woman. This would be the primary objective, and at this point it would not necessarily involve shooting the attacker. Also notice that pertaining to a different scenario, I said that if he were caught in the act and tried to drag her off for more (and here I assume he would drag her off to a location where they would be isolated as I can’t imagine him raping her in full view of other people, and which would also make it possible for him to torture and kill her if he wanted to do so), you (a hypothetical person) _could_ approach closely like I said, and waste him. I omitted this last comma and I think that may be where part of the confusion is coming from. “like I said” refers to approaching him safely, not to wasting him. And hopefully the explanation above will clear up the rest. But in closing **jarbabyj** , I would appreciate it if you would stop telling people I said I would just walk up and waste him, as this is not what I said at all. Thank you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/144 "2004-06-30T14:33:49Z")
> [@jarbabyj](#): > > No thanks darling, why don’t you read mine instead. It was **Starving Artist** who said he would waste the rapist, and that’s who I have been referring to the whole time. > [@jarbabyj](#): > > **duffer** and starving artist claimed their first action would be ‘walk up real close and waste him’. Emphasis added. Also, the statement that **duffer** claimed his first action would be to “walk up real close and waste him” is also a lie. > [@duffer](#): > > Having a gun, and **not shooting it, can do a lot of good** if the guy thinks you might use it. Whether it’s loaded or not. Emphasis added here as well. You might want to consider an apology here. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/145 "2004-06-30T14:36:43Z")
> [@jarbabyj](#): > > No thanks darling, why don’t you read mine instead. It was **Starving Artist** who said he would waste the rapist, and that’s who I have been referring to the whole time. **jarbabyj** , you’re starting to dig a hole here. You posted: > [@](#): > > duffer and starving artist claimed their first action would be ‘walk up real close and waste him’. **Starving Artist** has already posted his rebuttal to this. Not trying to be a jerk about it. Just note that you do seem to be putting words in others’ keyboards. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/146 "2004-06-30T14:41:39Z")
Here is duffer’s very first post to this thread: > [@duffer](#): > > Thank God NYC doesn’t have Concealed-Carry permits like we do! I’d hate to think of what would have happened to her if I had my .38 nearby! I doubt he was intending to just wave the .38 in the air. He implies NOW that he was going to shoot into the ground, but didn’t then. So I apologize for not knowing in advance that you were going to backpedal. THe point is, for duffer at least, his first thought was “a gun would be appropriate here”, with which I strongly disagree. **Starving Artist** and I have clarified things to each other civilly via email and you’ll notice that until duffer brought it up again, I had not engaged Starving Artist in more gun debate. I understand SA’s position completely, and I hope you understand Artist, that I only brought up your ‘wasting’ comment again because duffer did. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/147 "2004-06-30T14:47:49Z")
> [@jarbabyj](#): > > It was **Starving Artist** who said he would waste the rapist, and that’s who I have been referring to the whole time. Thanks **shodan** , but I really have to get in on this as well. **jarbabyj** , are you even reading your own drivel? Your post included me in the response that was directed to \*\*starving artist \*\* only. Once again, jarbabe, go fuck the pony you missed as a child. I’ve had right smackdowns on these boards, but I can’t recall anything this fucking stupid. Don’t apologize (like you’d have the intelligence to know how) I won’t accept. You insist on putting words in my mouth and trying to sell others what I think. The only way you can do this, obviously, is to attribute quotes/ideas to me that I never made. You fucking moron. I retract any help I previously would have offered you IRL. You fucking waste. I may be a dick sometimes, but I’ve never tried to tarnish your name to new Dopers, nor have I made an argument against you based on something you **never** posted. Again **jarbabyj** , go fuck yourself. I’m done with you. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/148 "2004-06-30T14:51:26Z")
I’m over here crying. No, I mean it. When did I try and tarnish your name to new dopers? Go ahead and cut and paste that. I didn’t even know who the fuck you were until you came in here waving your fucking penis…I’m sorry, gun around. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/149 "2004-06-30T14:54:09Z")
> [@jarbabyj](#): > > Thank you dave. However, when the five people saw the woman she was not being raped. She was being dragged away. Is that justifiable homicide? If that’s my wife or daughter, you bet your ass it is. Guy would end up looking like swiss cheese. I’m amazed you have to even ask this question. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/150 "2004-06-30T14:54:17Z")
> [@jarbabyj](#): > > Here is duffer’s very first post to this thread: > > I doubt he was intending to just wave the .38 in the air. He implies NOW that he was going to shoot into the ground, but didn’t then. So I apologize for not knowing in advance that you were going to backpedal. THe point is, for duffer at least, his first thought was “a gun would be appropriate here”, with which I strongly disagree. > > **Starving Artist** and I have clarified things to each other civilly via email and you’ll notice that until duffer brought it up again, I had not engaged Starving Artist in more gun debate. I understand SA’s position completely, and I hope you understand Artist, that I only brought up your ‘wasting’ comment again because duffer did. Well, stupidity has killed more hampsters than this thread I’m sure. So why not keep it going? Yay, you and **starving** have made your peace. Good for you. You still lumped me in on a diatribe about wasting people. You quoted the first post I had. All I mentioned was having a sidearm. I didn’t even mention firing it. I never mentioned shooting anyone. You took the mention of a gun as a “Wild Bill” reference. Unless you can quote me saying I’d “waste” anyone or even shoot **at** someone, I’ll buy you a new Porsche. Otherwise, please continue to fuck yourself. And reread the crap you’re trying to post about me in this thread. :wally :smack: :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/151 "2004-06-30T14:55:55Z")
> [@jarbabyj](#): > > I doubt he was intending to just wave the .38 in the air. He implies NOW that he was going to shoot into the ground, but didn’t then. So I apologize for not knowing in advance that you were going to backpedal. THe point is, for duffer at least, his first thought was “a gun would be appropriate here”, with which I strongly disagree. C’mon, **jarbabyj**. You’re better than this. _You’re_ the one backpedalling here, not **duffer**. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/152 "2004-06-30T14:59:12Z")
OK, very well, duffer, I acknowledge you never said you’d waste somebody. I hope that gets your big dick all hard. You DID say you wish you’d been there with a gun, but cleverly refrained from saying what you’d do with it. So kudos to you. Sauron, do me a big favor, don’t patronize me. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/153 "2004-06-30T15:01:33Z")
My apologies, **jarbabyj**. Just trying to help. I’ll bow out now. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/154 "2004-06-30T15:02:25Z")
> [@jarbabyj](#): > > **Starving Artist** and I have clarified things to each other civilly via email and you’ll notice that until duffer brought it up again, I had not engaged Starving Artist in more gun debate. I understand SA’s position completely, and I hope you understand Artist, that I only brought up your ‘wasting’ comment again because duffer did. Yes, I understand. But (and I’m not sure you’re aware of it which is why I posted as I did above) you appear to still be saying that I claimed I would have just walked up and wasted him…and as I explained above, this isn’t what I said nor was it the meaning I attempted to convey. In making your point with **duffer** , it isn’t my words that say I would’ve just walked up and wasted him, it is the words you are attributing to me – and are continuing to attribute to me – that are saying that. This is not correct and that is why I’m asking you not to claim, even in your explanations of your own motives, that I said something that I did not say. Regards. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/155 "2004-06-30T15:05:07Z")
SA, this is making my head hurt…SOMEONE QUOTED ME SAYING THAT FOUR DAYS AGO SO I HAD TO RESPOND. I can’t go back and change what I said four days ago, OK? I now understand your point, which you also illustrated on page three. Is it more important that you make sure I look bad than to know I understand what you’re saying? ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/156 "2004-06-30T15:13:18Z")
> [@jarbabyj](#): > > I doubt he was intending to just wave the .38 in the air. He implies NOW that he was going to shoot into the ground, but didn’t then. So I apologize for not knowing in advance that you were going to backpedal. THe point is, for duffer at least, his first thought was “a gun would be appropriate here”, with which I strongly disagree. Oh hell, why not play this out to the end? Please read this at least 3 times **jarbabyj**. I want you to think about it a minimum of 2 minutes. In the instance of the OP, I would like to have a sidearm. In any instance remotely resembling the OP, I would want my sidearm. Anything involving my wife or family, I would prefer the sidearm and my M1. The .38 is good for short-range, the M1 was the standard issue for WWII soldiers. Should I mention the 12-gauge or would that provoke another penis reference? (BTW, you really got me on that one. I had to go kick a kitten to feel better) Now pay attention Spark-Plug. I never said the gun had to be fired. Take a moment to reread that, I’ll wait. … I’ve also said the gun doesn’t even have to be loaded. Again, I’ll wait while you figure out how to review posts. … Have your ever heard the action of a pistol or rifle being cocked? It makes the same sound whether a round is in the chamber or not. The sound alone will let the other person think you’re loaded for action. And of course you completely missed the point of my first response. If NYC had concealed-carry, you wouldn’t need a gun to make the perp think you might have one. There is no way to make you understand this, I guess. I just have to assume you live in a part of the US that is accepting of criminals owning guns, but you, as a law-abiding citizen have to rely on pepper spray. I can’t even be mad at you anymore. Now it’s just pity. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/157 "2004-06-30T15:13:58Z")
> [@jarbabyj](#): > > SA, this is making my head hurt…SOMEONE QUOTED ME SAYING THAT FOUR DAYS AGO SO I HAD TO RESPOND. > > I can’t go back and change what I said four days ago, OK? I now understand your point, which you also illustrated on page three. Is it more important that you make sure I look bad than to know I understand what you’re saying? **jarbabyj** , please. Making you look bad is the last thing I want to do, and I mean that sincerely. In fact, it never even crossed my mind as I’ve been composing my posts today that I was doing so. For that, I truly do apologize. I would just ask that if you feel the need to illustrate something because of what I said or what you interpreted I said, that you also clarify my position as you have now come to know it. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/158 "2004-06-30T15:16:10Z")
> [@jarbabyj](#): > > I hope that gets your big dick all hard. Thanks for recognizing the size. But the hardness depends on how well you spank me. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/159 "2004-06-30T15:18:24Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Oh hell, why not play this out to the end? Because then you couldn’t jack off to your own self importance? > [@duffer](#): > > In the instance of the OP, I would like to have a sidearm. In any instance remotely resembling the OP, I would want my sidearm. Anything involving my wife or family, I would prefer the sidearm and my M1. The .38 is good for short-range, the M1 was the standard issue for WWII soldiers. Should I mention the 12-gauge or would that provoke another penis reference? (BTW, you really got me on that one. I had to go kick a kitten to feel better) > > Now pay attention Spark-Plug. I never said the gun had to be fired. Take a moment to reread that, I’ll wait. > > I’ve also said the gun doesn’t even have to be loaded. Again, I’ll wait while you figure out how to review posts. > > Have your ever heard the action of a pistol or rifle being cocked? It makes the same sound whether a round is in the chamber or not. The sound alone will let the other person think you’re loaded for action. > > And of course you completely missed the point of my first response. If NYC had concealed-carry, you wouldn’t need a gun to make the perp think you might have one. > > There is no way to make you understand this, I guess. I just have to assume you live in a part of the US that is accepting of criminals owning guns, but you, as a law-abiding citizen have to rely on pepper spray. I can’t even be mad at you anymore. Now it’s just pity. That’s a lot of information that I was supposed to automatically glean from a one sentence post with a typo in it. I guess you’re right I am the stupidest person alive. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031/160 "2004-06-30T15:23:53Z")
But let’s do it this way **duffer** , and all can be settled peacefully. If you were in NYC with your trusty sidearm, loaded, and you saw a man holding a woman in a hammerlock, a STANDING HAMMERLOCK, and she was screaming for help, what would your FIRST COURSE OF ACTION BE? That is my question to you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/america-its-people-helping-people-unless-a-scary-guy-is-involved/252031.md?page=9)