Ummm … I’m not sure what point you’re making here.
As I stated earlier, the safety of the assailant doesn’t really matter to me. Of all the priorities in the situation, keeping the assailant safe is the lowest on my personal totem pole.
Can you explain your point further?
Not to overlook some of the good points you made…but…
Actually, I would rather know you were killed trying to help a woman who was being attacked than to know you stood by and did nothing because the guy was “scary looking.”
My mistake. I had “assailant” confused with “the one who is assailed.” Just substitute the term “victim” for “assailant” and you get my point.
I definitely know the m.o. of his rape, but what difference would it make? A rapist is a rapist and you said that they can’t be reformed. Perhaps you meant “some sexual offenders” but that’s not what you said.
Evil Captor: Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.
Aries28: Oh, you’d just LOVE to have me killed off doing a chivalrous deed, wouldn’t you? That would get you some insurance money, and free you up to marry your Future Third Husband, Christian Kane! But I’m on to your little plan, missy! Hahahahaha!
jarbabyj, I understand things better now than I did yesterday. Let me just say I wouldn’t really have just gladly walked up and “wasted” him. My post was early in the thread before I understood your overall thinking in this regard. I thought your concern was for the victim and you wanted to know how I would go about shooting the rapist without harming the victim. Had I known your true feelings and background, I would have phrased my post in a more reasoned-sounding way. I hope you believe this because as you’ve found out since, I had a chance to shoot somebody under circumstances that were both justified and legally defensible. But having the choice of whether or not to take a life is a sobering matter, and I chose not to do so even though I could have without suffering any legal consequences.
My apologies for the hard feelings my post caused.
Sincere regards, SA
I appreciate it SA, no biggie 
Thanks. 
[nitpick]What you seem to be describing is a chicken-wing. Which is more a restraint hold than a come-along. If the rapist wanted a human shield, and wanted to walk the girl away with him, he was more probably attempting a hammerlock or some variation thereof - what Brazilian jujitsuka call a Kimura.
A hammerlock is a pain compliance manuever. A chicken-wing just ties the arms up. If he wanted to walk her away with him as a human shield, it would be a lot easier with a hammerlock than with a chicken-wing. [/nitpick]
Regards,
Shodan
Perhaps he meant violent rapists as opposes to men who are accused of rape because the woman had regrets the next day. There’s a pretty clear difference between these two examples, yet both could be convictred of “Rape”. Since the thread has been about a rapist dragging a woman off, it’s not a stretch to believe that’s the type of person he was referencing as being unrehabilitatable. Baring a massive, life altering event-like converting to Islam or something- I tend to agree with spooje. Most of those scum(violent repeat rapists) are unable to be rehabilitated, and furthermore, should be charged for the cost of the bullet it takes to put them out of our misery.
well, suffice it to say I know the woman wasn’t playing hard to get as she happened to be me. I never did and never will wish a bullet in him.
What other kind of hammerlock would there be? I’ll concede that generally the lock’s applied with one hand holding the wrist, the other hand needs to pull the lockee towards you or else they’ll be able to slide out of it. The way it’s most commonly applied when someone is standing is to twist the arm behind the back the way the image shows and then get into a one-handed choke hold/arm across the neck, which will lock the victim’s head to you, thus keeping them from moving. The arm behind the back will get them to “comply” with your directions on where they should go. If the lockee gets ornery, it’s a simple matter to kick the back of their knees to cause them to fall, jerking their arm, causing quite a bit of pain and kocking them off ballance for you to start dragging. At that point, the lockee will generally relent and go along with the locker. If they don’t, do it again.
The only time that I can think of when one would apply the lock with no arm across the neck is if someone is leading a lockee in front people who would be apt to call “police burtality.” In this situation, the lockee generally realizes that they’re beat and won’t put up much of a struggle. The locker generally applies pressure (and it does hurt - when you watch LA cops do this, you can see guys “walking the sky” (on their tiptoes) because they’re in so much pain), but it’s simple to get out of this with a minimal amount of pain. Recall that this would only be applied when it’s not in one’s best interest to run away.
In bondage play, a hammerlock is holding both of a woman’s forearms behind her back, pulling the wrists up and binding them, sometimes to the neck.
Here it is applied to prison-keeping. Scroll about halfway down.
Shodan: I’ve always seen the Kimura as a ground hold. For those of you wondering: here it is. Then again, I’ve never seen it applied from the front either.
I meant what I said, which was 'sexual predator". And I have only your word regarding this reformed rapist. So before I can accept it as gospel truth, I will need a bit more info. Like, did he admit the rape to you? Did he tell you the circumstances? How do you know it was only the one time? And how would you really know if he has been rehabilitated?
He raped me
His mother talks to my mother every once in a while
and he’s married, has three kids and contacted me out of the blue four years ago to apologize for what he’d done.
This probably isn’t the best way to de-lurk, but if I don’t ask, it’s gonna drive me nuts. 
You’ve described your rape in some detail on this board before. What kind of apology could possibly make up for what he did? He knew it was going to hurt you- he said as much- and yet he did it anyway. He made sure you knew that it wasn’t for you. He went to the trouble to create blackmail photos, and he used them, not in the heat of the moment, but some time later. He doesn’t sound like someone who just made a mistake, didn’t know what he was doing, and later realized he did wrong. He knew at the time that he was doing wrong and he didn’t care! He sounds cold, totally lacking in empathy. How does someone without empathy meaningfully reform? 
I am very sorry to hear that. Truly.
Unfortunately, my other questions are not answered.
How do you know that you were the only one? And his being married and reproducing are irrelevant. There have been hundreds upon hundreds of evil men, monsters really, who have taken wives and had children.
I have to assume that this man was never arrested for his crime.
Holy shit!
:eek:
I was the first to bring up the gun, so I should explain a few things. I never said it would be used to shoot the shitbag. I would if I had a clean shot, unless the majority of Dopers were the makeup of the jury pool. Rapists can steal a person’s mind, sometimes equalling a death depending on the circumstance. I’ve mentioned the person I know that was brutally raped. She was 13 when her brother’s friend get her in the family room of her home. He controlled her by choking her. 18 years later, if you so much as get close to touching her neck, you’re not going to be welcome back in her life.
I would have loved to have been there when you were attacked, jarbabyj. Most likely you would have been saved from a lifetime of dealing with the rape. I kind of have a problem with assholes inflicting enduring pain on innocents.
That said, go fuck yourself. Where the hell did I say anything close to “wasting” anyone in my first response? Want to put words in my mouth? Go ahead. Most will see that I said no such thing. I only mentioned that any of my guns (the .38 in this case) would have helped out. Even if it wasn’t loaded! And if it was loaded, well, a shot into the ground and yelling “Hey Fuckstick! Let her go!” while charging him would have helped in all likelihood. Or would you prefer I calmly shout “I’m calling the cops, so you have at least 10 minutes to get away!”
You don’t think having a woman in a hammerlock is a big deal? No, really. That isn’t a big deal? That says a lot on your view of rape. I guess I take it more seriously. I’d rather have a society that allows non-felons that register with the Sherriff’s office to carry weapons that the bad guys have anyway.
Now if you can show me where law-abiding citizens are out randomly shooting people, you might have a case. Don’t bother with gun crimes that are committed by those that are banned by law from owning firearms. They’d never register them anyway. You see, some of us have been trained in firearm safety. We know the dangers of guns, we know the safe handling of guns. We know to never point a gun at anything we don’t intend to shoot, be it a paper target, dinner, or piece of shit rapists.
But by all means, keep telling me what my posts mean. Even if you have to make it up. :rolleyes:
