# american beheaded in Iraq, video **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 11, 2004, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662 "2004-05-11T18:23:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/281 "2004-05-13T13:12:17Z")
> [@Olentzero](#): > > That, dude, was fucking **WRONG**. No, seriously. Not “wrong” in the “ha ha, you sick little monkey scamp” sense, but just **WRONG**. There really was no need for that. It would be like getting one of the bloodspurt frames from Berg’s murder and linking to it by saying “ **Weirddave** , don’t lose your [head](http://www.nothereisntreallyalinktothatkindofpichere.com) over this.” Spare me the mock outrage, you stupid asshole. That photo has been all over the newspapers, the TV and the internet. Nearly everyone in the entire universe has seen it. The version I linked to was in a fucking _encyclopedia_ for chrissakes. Fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/282 "2004-05-13T13:14:05Z")
Doesn’t mean it’s there for you to use as a joke, dude. That wasn’t mock outrage, it was real. You don’t like it, no skin off my nose. I still think you’re a jerk for using it in that manner. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/283 "2004-05-13T13:51:41Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > I have to admit that > **I was wrong** > > about the reaction from the Arab world. So far, the reactions I’ve seen have been those of shock and revulsion, and a rejection of the beheading as un-Islamic brutality. Good on the Arabs, and I apologize to them for my lack of faith in their innate decency. Even Hezbollah condemned it. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/284 "2004-05-13T14:29:15Z")
> [@Olentzero](#): > > Seeing as how Lenin \*_died_ in 1924, I’m really curious as to how he managed to get enough air into his formaldehyde-laden lungs for one last _bon mot_. Lenin never let death keep him from being witty. I just checked out the Oxford book of quotations myself. Apparently it’s attibuted to Lenin by the Webbs in their “Soviet Communism”, published in 1936. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/285 "2004-05-13T18:33:07Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > I have to admit that > **I was wrong** > > about the reaction from the Arab world. So far, the reactions I’ve seen have been those of shock and revulsion, and a rejection of the beheading as un-Islamic brutality. Good on the Arabs, and I apologize to them for my lack of faith in their innate decency. thanks (although I know you’re not specifically appologizing to me, nor am I thinking you should). I was surprised at your original statement (especially since, As far as I can remember, since the last time I recall you making a blanket ‘all blank are blank’ statement, it seemed that you’d learned the folly of those). As far as I can recall from this fucking trainwreck, that is all I remember being at your throat about (I admit I could be wrong, I don’t feel like wading through the shit in this thing to find out). Seemed to me that I was mostly pissed to the max at folks attempting to shrug off the prisoner abuse story as a few pics of harmless frat type pranks by bored soldiers (obviously, I hope, a generalization of the other position, not claiming any one said that specifically), when it was clear by specific phrasing in the reports and by those who had read them that horrible as the original set were, there was much more (yes, even though specific criminal charges outlying exact criminal allegations had yet been made). I still feel that it is pointless to assume (for discussion sake, obviously in court of law presumption of innocence must be held) that criminal acts such as rape, assault, perhaps murder (as stated by the one Senator on Meet the Press last Sunday) happened. (note that for example, we can still claim that some one was murdered even if no one has been found guilty - Nicole Simpson is still a murder victim even though no one has been found guilty in a court of law for the crime). ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/286 "2004-05-13T19:17:06Z")
> [@](#): > > I was surprised at your original statement (especially since, As far as I can remember, since the last time I recall you making a blanket ‘all blank are blank’ statement, it seemed that you’d learned the folly of those). My only statement was that I expected the Arab world to celebrate this horror (happily, I was wrong.) Someone asked me if I thought all Arabs were terrorists, I facetiously replied, “Cite?” , and we were off to the rodeo. One thing I have learned is that people here insist in putting words in each other’s mouths, including mine. It’s impossible to make any claim about a subset of a population (Some Americans like football) without having that claim inflated to all the members of the population, thus inspiring repeated outrage (“How DARE you say that all Americans like football, you asshole?”). Even if I were to put in a qualifier like “some” or “many,” it gets changed to “every,” so I’ve basically given up trying to be clearer because it doesn’t make a damned bit of difference. > [@](#): > > eemed to me that I was mostly pissed to the max at folks attempting to shrug off the prisoner abuse story as a few pics of harmless frat type pranks by bored soldiers (obviously, I hope, a generalization of the other position, not claiming any one said that specifically), when it was clear by specific phrasing in the reports and by those who had read them that horrible as the original set were, there was much more (yes, even though specific criminal charges outlying exact criminal allegations had yet been made). I was adamant and quite specific about the seriousness of the horror our nation visited on the people who were tortured at Abu Ghraib, and I still got shit on by the folks attacking **Weirddave**. All he wanted was to see evidence of rape and murder beyond mere assertion, which people twisted into accusing him of denying that any torture had happened, even in the face of specific quotes to the contrary. But to repreat, **I was wrong** Not that it will make any difference. ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/287 "2004-05-13T19:40:58Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > Lenin never let death keep him from being witty. I just checked out the Oxford book of quotations myself. Apparently it’s attibuted to Lenin by the Webbs in their “Soviet Communism”, published in 1936. Great, another layer to dig through. Any idea where the Webbs say they got it from? ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/288 "2004-05-13T19:47:35Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > I have to admit that I was wrong about the reaction from the Arab world. So far, the reactions I’ve seen have been those of shock and revulsion, and a rejection of the beheading as un-Islamic brutality. Good on the Arabs, and I apologize to them for my lack of faith in their innate decency. I can work with that. I also thought a bit about the “defending religion” crack and my flippant response, and I wanted to take a moment to expound. I _will_ defend the adherents of a religion from attacks, whether consciously racist or not - and I felt the attitude you took towards the Arab response in general was an attack. If I have the time in the next day or so, I’ll go back and review what you said in this thread to honestly determine if my assessment is fair or not. But I, too, am glad to see the reaction of even the higher-profile terrorist organizations against this butchery. ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/289 "2004-05-13T20:22:27Z")
And - boy! Are we happy about that! ?? ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/290 "2004-05-13T20:24:46Z")
A little more [grist](http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/iraq_usa_beheading_family_dc) for the mill: > [@](#): > > “My son died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. This administration did this,” [Nick’s father Michael] Berg said in an interview with radio station KYW-AM. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/291 "2004-05-13T20:43:55Z")
Given that whether or not Berg was alive during the decapitation is being rationally debated in GD, it appears that I owe **Reeder** an apology for my intemperate comment last night. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/292 "2004-05-13T20:51:27Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > My only statement was that I expected the Arab world to celebrate this horror (happily, I was wrong.) Someone asked me if I thought all Arabs were terrorists, I facetiously replied, “Cite?” , and we were off to the rodeo. I was on you for the expectation that celebrations would be universal. Can’t answer/speak for what others said/did. ANd for me, it was in fact the “all” that did it. qualfiers such as “some” I’d agree w/ (after all, there are “some” Americans who are shrugging off the prison abuse stories) > [@](#): > > I was adamant and quite specific about the seriousness of the horror our nation visited on the people who were tortured at Abu Ghraib, and I still got shit on by the folks attacking **Weirddave**. again, I don’t believe that I was part of that. I understand that in the midst of a thread, one gets lumped in with others arguing essentially similar positions, (and most folk do that, difficult to wade through after all), but I honestly try to specifically address (by name) only those who (by name) have said the specific thing - which I generally do by quoting the person. > [@](#): > > All he wanted was to see evidence of rape and murder beyond mere assertion, um, I disagree with that in that the ‘evidence’ he was demanding was actual photos (which haven’t been released and may never be released) and/or some level of specific criminal conviction (no time to have happened yet). Simply bizarre. Again, when the medical examiner has ruled a death “homicide” you can use the word “murder” (especially since the word has meaning outside of a courtroom- which would, I would submit, include an internet message board discussion). We linked to newstories and quotes from public officials who’d made statements. I almost linked to the transcript of the _Meet the Press_ show from last Sunday where a Republican Senator made the statement “rape and murder” (which is where I’d gotten the phrase, figuring if a public official who’d had access to a whole fuck of a lot more than I had was using the phrase in a public you know you’re going to be quoted setting, that there is evidence to support that. I decided not to since he’d also used the word “allegation” which I surmised that Mr. Dave would leap onto saying “ah-ha, it’s still merely allegations, I’m looking for proof”. when you’ve got some one who -even later admits that he’d seen/heard Rumsfeld admitting there was much more- demands “PROOF” \*\*before \*\* there’s been a trial, hell fuck it - that level of shit isn’t worth the grief he heaped out. At this point there are only ‘allegations’ in the literal sense of the word (since we’ve not had trials where we can claim proof), and it seemed idiotic to continue playing that game. Christ, did you see him even read the quoted phrase and point out that it still didn’t contain the word “Rape”? (yes, he admitted that he personally considered it a rape, but fuck, really) ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/293 "2004-05-13T21:22:42Z")
> [@wring](#): > > um, I disagree with that in that the ‘evidence’ he was demanding was actual photos (which haven’t been released and may never be released) and/or some level of specific criminal conviction (no time to have happened yet). Simply bizarre. I find it amazing that you manage to read what I post, yet somehow fail to absorb any of the things that I say. Go back and read again. What I have been asking for as “proof”: Photos. Charges. Transcripts from investigators detailing their findings ( and whatdayaknow, when Mtgman provided such, my response was “Why, you seem to have brought forth _evidence_ of rape, looks like we’ll have to add that to the list of atrocities that have been “proven”” Some hairbrained Senator saying " I saw rape and murder " convinces me of nothing, especialy since Senators and Congressman, as a whole, tend to speak grandiosly. The only time I mentioned conviction was when I said I would need a conviction before anyone could be imprissoned or executed. Again, why is that outrageous? Do you want to imprison people without a trial? I really don’t think you are advocating that, but look past your outrage and see what I am actually saying here > [@wring](#): > > Christ, did you see him even read the quoted phrase and point out that it still didn’t contain the word “Rape”? (yes, he admitted that he personally considered it a rape, but fuck, really) Did you see where wring said she was responsible for the assasination of Abraham Lincoln?( yes, she didn’t actually say that, but still…) Wring, I was noting that it wasn’t classified a rape because that disturbed me! As I said, in my book, a guard fucking a prisoner is rape. He should be charged with rape! “A guard having sexual intercourse with a prisoner”, bullshit! Call it a rape, charge and convict his sorry ass, and send him to Leavenworth to rot. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/294 "2004-05-13T22:11:08Z")
(to the audience) see what I mean? The charges were not specified in the report, either. Neither did the report mention the word rape. as a matter of fact you noted that specific fact. Nor did the report mention the word murder. There was evidence of investigations into the allegations of both rape and murder. The report also did not include the photos. All of these things will remain {technically in the legal sense} allegations until **after** a trial. Which obviously hasn’t had a chance to occur. So, Dave - since the report did **not** in fact include the words “rape, murder” or photos of same or the specific charges of rape and murder, why are you accepting that as ‘proof’ in your eyes vs. the public testimony of the officials (including the **author** of the report) whose statements are linked? ya know what? never mind. you will continue to believe what you wish, when you wish it. If I bother w/you in the future, I’ll try and remember to ask specifically before hand what Dave will consider proof, so he can’t simply say ‘nananaboo boo whatever she posts as proof I won’t accept’ ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/295 "2004-05-13T22:21:20Z")
Wring, The report details: > [@](#): > > 1. (S) I find that the intentional abuse of detainees by military police personnel included > the following acts: > a. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet; > b. (S) Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees; > c. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for > photographing; > d. (S) Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several > days at a time; > e. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women’s underwear; > f. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being > photographed and videotaped; > g. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them; > h. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and > attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture; > i. (S) Writing “I am a Rapest” (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly > raped a 15-year old fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked; > j. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee’s neck and having a > female Soldier pose for a picture; > **k. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee;** > l. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten > detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee; > m. (S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees. > (ANNEXES 25 and 26) > … > (U) In addition, several detainees also described the following acts of abuse, which > under the circumstances, I find credible based on the clarity of their statements and > supporting evidence provided by other witnesses (ANNEX 26): > a. (U) Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees; > b. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol; > c. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees; > d. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; > e. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape; > f. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was > injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell; > g. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick. > h. (U) Using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats > of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee. Item “K”, which I have bolded, seems to me to clearly be an instance of rape, and so I am calling it such. Where in the report do you see any mention of murder? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/296 "2004-05-13T22:29:00Z")
> [@Olentzero](#): > > Great, another layer to dig through. Any idea where the Webbs say they got it from? Not yet. Oddly, I was in a used bookstore a few months ago, and bought volume one of “Soviet Communism”, so I can see if it’s in there. (If it’s a real quote, I think it’ll be in the second half of the book, though, which I don’t have. The first half deals with Soviet governmental structure and the purges.) Did you ever read the book, btw? It’s disturbingly pro-Stalin. In their defense, though, they were both in their 80s when they wrote it, and a lot of Western socialists and communists were taken in by Stalin. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/297 "2004-05-13T22:51:08Z")
> [@wring](#): > > (to the audience) see what I mean? > > \ > > ya know what? never mind. you will continue to believe what you wish, when you wish it. If I bother w/you in the future, I’ll try and remember to ask specifically before hand what Dave will consider proof, so he can’t simply say ‘nananaboo boo whatever she posts as proof I won’t accept’ You know what, **wring** , I’d forget about having any kind of honest interaction with him at all in the future, as he is completely devoid of any ability to be honest or hold himself up to the standards to which he holds everyone else. Case in point, his comment: “I find it amazing that you manage to read what I post, yet somehow fail to absorb any of the things that I say,” yet manages to read what I post and yet still fails to absorb any of the things that I say, distorting my positions entirely, claiming I condemn American soldiers at the slightest hint of impropriety, think Israel can do no wrong, hold up the Hussein brothers as martyrs and think Mr. Berg deserved his beheading – none of which can even be _misinterpreted_ from anything I’ve actually said. He says he’ll believe the allegations when charges have been brought, we point out that charges _have already_ been brought, and then he repeats that he’ll believe it when charges have been brought. It’s a never-ending, bang-your-head-against-a-wall battle. GAH! He’s been following me around for the past week and provoking me, and up 'til now I’ve been stupid enough to allow it. My bad. But you can rest assured I won’t be making that mistake again. If he continues to post utter falsehoods about me, I’ll simply ignore him and report him to a moderator. Even if he addresses me directly, it will fall on deaf ears (or a blind eye). I will never let him push my buttons again – I’d recommend the same to you, hon. And **gobear** , I’m proud of you for that admission (and thrilled that circumstances in the world allowed it to be necessary – YAY Arab world!). But with regard to dave supposedly merely asking for a cite, you may have to take my word for it, but there’s no doubt in my mind that he was attacking my credibility personally. He can deny it until the cows come home, but he knows better – he’s been having all kinds of fun lately throwing little jabs at me, and this was just another one of them. But like I said, my bad for allowing him to piss me off in the first place. And my apologies at large for allowing my anger at his antagonistic behaviour towards me, coupled with my anger at our continued involvment in this bloody war, my outrage at the revelations of the horrifying behaviours of some of our troops, my anger and disgust at the beheading of Mr. Berg and my utter terror for the future of our nation and our entire world, to express themselves here. The Pit is notoriously a good outlet for rage, and I’m feeling a lot of that lately, given events as they’ve been this past year in particular, and the prospect of 4 more years of this terrifying regime lording over our nation. And then to have some little prick constantly poking me with a stick – well, 'twasn’t easy to allow it to go unchallenged. I’ll avoid him at all costs in the future, and work on reigning it in a bit, as well. Shalom ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/298 "2004-05-13T23:21:49Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Item “K”, which I have bolded, seems to me to clearly be an instance of rape, and so I am calling it such. Where in the report do you see any mention of murder? I haven’t seen any evidence of murders in that document, although I have seen sources that say some soldiers will face murder charges. One allegation was sniping at prisoners from guard towers. [A newspaper in Borneo quotes a AFP story](http://www.brunei-online.com/bb/tue/may11w21.htm) > [@](#): > > US lawmakers are warning the fallout will likely worsen. According to Senator Lindsay Graham, a Republican, the US public will have to brace for cases of murder and rape from the scandal. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/299 "2004-05-13T23:25:30Z")
You know, Shana, I hate to burst your persecution bubble, but I didn’t even realize it was you when I first replied-I reply to posts, not to posters. When I saw that it was you, my thought process was “Shayna is a pedantic poster, I better clarify that I’m not talking about the initial round of abuse photos or she’ll focus on that”, which is why I made my second post immediately afterwards. Why this put you in attack mode is beyond me, and what you think I’ve done to you to deserve being attacked by you is a complete mystery. You can rest assured, however, that I have no intention of following you around these boards or anywhere else and “provoking” you, nor have I done so in the past. Sorry if that’s a disapointment to you. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/300 "2004-05-14T01:17:26Z")
[Man, that Dave is an idiot, there’s certainly no reason to believe that some of the accusations flying around about the prison abuse are untrue. Why’s he so adament on wanting proof, anyway?](http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=27679) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662.md?page=16)