# american beheaded in Iraq, video **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 11, 2004, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662 "2004-05-11T18:23:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Blonde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Blonde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blonde)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/301 "2004-05-14T02:38:50Z")
My husband starting watching the video tonight online, and I made him turn that shit off. I don’t need to see a decapitation to understand the brutality that exists in this world. IMHO: the War is creeping up on becoming a 'Nam, and will cost Bush the election. What’s the count up to now? Over a thousand? Peace to those who have died defending this fight. ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/302 "2004-05-14T05:15:45Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Amazing] Not yet. Oddly, I was in a used bookstore a few months ago, and bought volume one of “Soviet Communism”, so I can see if it’s in there. [quote] Frankly, I’m goddamn surprised anyone actually has a copy. > [@](#): > > Did you ever read the book, btw? It’s disturbingly pro-Stalin. In their defense, though, they were both in their 80s when they wrote it, and a lot of Western socialists and communists were taken in by Stalin. No, never read it - the Webbs had several screws loose. And being taken in by Stalin was easy enough to do in the 30s and 40s; it’s a legacy some of us have done quite a good job of shedding, though. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/303 "2004-05-14T12:24:15Z")
Nice to see some more bullshit getting unearthed. [http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/20901.htm](http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/20901.htm) > [@](#): > > Meanwhile, Berg’s family - which held a private funeral for Nick in West Chester yesterday - produced a bombshell e-mail that directly contradicts U.S. claims that the military was not involved in detaining their son for 13 days. > > The e-mail, sent to Berg’s parents by the U.S. consular officer in Iraq, states, “I have confirmed that your son, Nick, is being detained by the U.S. military in Mosul. He is safe. He was picked up approximately one week ago.” Let’s see how they spin that. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/304 "2004-05-14T13:05:00Z")
> [@Blonde](#): > > My husband starting watching the video tonight online, and I made him turn that shit off. I don’t need to see a decapitation to understand the brutality that exists in this world. I cannot watch the video. For the first time in my life I’ve come across a situation that I am afraid to even take a peak at. For those who have seen it, was the execution performed slowly to inflict maximum horror and cruelty or was it swift? ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/305 "2004-05-14T13:39:57Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > was the execution performed slowly to inflict maximum horror and cruelty or was it swift? Looks pretty much like he was dead in seconds. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/306 "2004-05-14T13:46:35Z")
Yeah, but getting your neck hacked through with a knife has got to be more painful than a guillotining. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/307 "2004-05-14T13:52:18Z")
I’m going to start treading into tinfoil hat territory. > **[Breaking News, World News, US and Local News - NY Daily News - New York Daily...](https://www.nydailynews.com/)** > > Find breaking US news, local New York news coverage, sports, entertainment news, celebrity gossip, autos, videos and photos at nydailynews.com. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/308 "2004-05-14T14:04:57Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > I’m going to start treading into tinfoil hat territory. > > [http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/193331p-166984c.html](http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/193331p-166984c.html) You need some more facts (plus a bit of gossip) before you put the hat on. > [@](#): > > [Berg’s Father and Firm Were On A Right-Wing ‘Enemies’ List > 12th May, 2004](http://www.breakfornews.com/NickBergEnemiesList.htm) > > The family firm of beheaded American Nick Berg, was named by a conservative website in a list of ‘enemies’ of the Iraq occupation. That could explain his arrest by Iraqi police --a detention which fatally delayed his planned return from Iraq and may have led directly to his death. > > \ > > On 7th March, 2004, just three weeks before the first anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, an ‘enemies’ list of anti-war groups and individuals was posted on the Free Republic forum. > > It began: “Here you are, FReepers. Here is the enemy.” > > The list had been copied from publicly available endorsements of a call to action for an imminent anniversary antiwar protest on 20th March, 2004. The protest was being organized under the banner of the A.N.S.W.E.R Coalition (Act Now to Stop War & End Racism). > > Among those listed as having endorsed the call to action was this entry: “Michael S. Berg, Teacher, Prometheus Methods Tower Service, Inc.” > > That’s Nick Berg’s father, Michael who acts as business manager for his son in their family radio communications firm, Prometheus Methods Tower Service. > > \ > > Just seven days after “Michael Berg” and “Prometheus Methods Tower Service” had come up on that Iraq war ‘enemies’ list, his son Nick Berg returned to Iraq under the business name of Prometheus Methods Tower Service. > > \ > > The web traffic to the Free Republic forum --and it’s forum membership-- include significant numbers of serving and former US military. > > Many members take their online activism very seriously. Some delight in causing mischief for those they think are identified as “enemies.” > > Within minutes of getting their hands on the antiwar names, one was boasting of having contacted the military about active service personnel who were on the list: > “I forwarded the list to the ISC (the command you listed), the district officer… the district legal office and the investigative services office.” > > The response: > > “The poor moron is not going to know what hit him. Is this being mean-spirited? NO! Someone against our military does not belong in the military!” > > Another was already investigating a member of the Coast Guard on the list: > > “I took a look at his yahoo and he has a site which is not real fond of the war on drugs OR the war on terrorism… That particular coastie needs some serious trouble to come his way…” > > " I spoke on the phone to a senior chief yesterday in Virginia… [who] could not believe what the guy was doing. He was both astounded and angry. I think [he] is in for some big, big trouble." > > If that list could end up on an Internet forum, then it could just as readily end up with the FBI, and eventually in the hands of those in Iraq who are keen to track or harass antiwar activists entering the country. > > Alternatively, the enthusiasts on Free Republic have the contacts and the clear determination to have ensured the list quickly got to the right places. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/309 "2004-05-14T14:14:53Z")
What’s up with the Orange jumpsuit? Doesn’t that mean he _was_ in US custody? If he was released wouldn’t he change clothes? That’s some good stuff, **Desmo** , my Illuminati friends would be proud. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/310 "2004-05-14T14:27:37Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > If he was released wouldn’t he change clothes? If he was released, wouldn’t he at least leave the prison? > [@](#): > > [It’s the same chair !!! OMFG !!](http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000233.html) > > Here’s where you really need the tin foil hat. Look at this pic that was released today of the latest prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib prison. Notice the white chair in the lower left corner. Now - look at the chair Nicholas Berg is sitting in!! It’s the same fucking chair!! > > I have some more pics but the walls are the same yellow color and the baseboard is the same color as Abu Ghraib prison. Then - as I’ve said before - what is Nicholas Berg doing in an orange prison jumpsuit? The orange jumpsuit is the same color as the ones used at the prison!!! Terrorists don’t don’t put the people they kidnap in orange prison jumpsuits! The quote above is just from some blogger, and he’s wrong about a lot of stuff (as people point out in the comments), but he has some good pics to compare and makes some interesting points about the walls and the chair. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/311 "2004-05-14T14:42:43Z")
> [@Desmostylus](#): > > If he was released, wouldn’t he at least leave the prison?The quote above is just from some blogger, and he’s wrong about a lot of stuff (as people point out in the comments), but he has some good pics to compare and makes some interesting points about the walls and the chair. Funny, I’m reading that same website about the chair. Coincidence? \ ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/312 "2004-05-14T14:53:22Z")
I had two chairs exactly like that on my patio at my old apartment in Arlington. It’s common fucking patio furniture. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/313 "2004-05-14T14:59:17Z")
> [@Olentzero](#): > > I had two chairs exactly like that on my patio at my old apartment in Arlington. It’s common fucking patio furniture. Um, I think everyone knows that, dude. We’re doin’ the tinfoil thing here at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/314 "2004-05-14T15:02:45Z")
Berg was on right wing enemy list [http://www.breakfornews.com/NickBergEnemiesList.htm](http://www.breakfornews.com/NickBergEnemiesList.htm) I don’t believe any of this stuff, but _theres_ got to be more going on. I’m sorry, but this Moussaui coincidence is kind of strange. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/315 "2004-05-14T15:02:51Z")
> [@Olentzero](#): > > I had two chairs exactly like that on my patio at my old apartment in Arlington. It’s common fucking patio furniture. Ditto the chair sentiment. I’ve also seen these chairs in a number of photos of everyday Iraqis. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/316 "2004-05-14T15:07:09Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Berg was on right wing enemy list > > [http://www.breakfornews.com/NickBergEnemiesList.htm](http://www.breakfornews.com/NickBergEnemiesList.htm) > > I don’t believe any of this stuff, but _theres_ got to be more going on. I’m sorry, but this Moussaui coincidence is kind of strange. Are you sniffing glue or something? Isn’t that the exact same cite that I linked to above? The one where you responded: “That’s some good stuff, Desmo, my Illuminati friends would be proud.”? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/317 "2004-05-14T15:09:27Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Berg was on right wing enemy list > > [http://www.breakfornews.com/NickBergEnemiesList.htm](http://www.breakfornews.com/NickBergEnemiesList.htm) > > I don’t believe any of this stuff, but _theres_ got to be more going on. I’m sorry, but this Moussaui coincidence is kind of strange. BTW, I don’t mean to say he was down with AQ and the deal went sour or something. I tend to think there’s more a middle ground between what actually happened, and all this tinfoilery of him working for Mossad and such. Some 26 year old just ups and heads off to Iraq to fix some radio towers? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/318 "2004-05-14T15:20:59Z")
> [@Desmostylus](#): > > Are you sniffing glue or something? Isn’t that the exact same cite that I linked to above? The one where you responded: “That’s some good stuff, Desmo, my Illuminati friends would be proud.”? It should be quite evident now that I’m not a morning person. Let me see if I can explain. 1. You post link, I read first 2/3 of it. 2. I see link come up elsewhere, click on link and started scanning, didn’t bother to notice the huge Breakfornews logo on top. 3. Somehow I felt like I already knew this stuff, but then got to unread 3/3 4. Eager to present new info, I totally spaced that it was simply the part of your link I hadn’t read first time. 5. I may or may not have sniffed some glue this morning, I can’t recall. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/319 "2004-05-14T15:34:40Z")
No worries. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2004, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662/320 "2004-05-14T15:43:16Z")
Can anyone tell me about the guy wearing a gold ring, which is supposedly not allowed in Islam. [sub]Not that they follow the rules anyway[/sub] Zarqawi is becoming a nice scapegoat as well, he seems to have his hands in everything these days. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-beheaded-in-iraq-video/244662.md?page=17)