# American Horror Story --- WTF??? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 6, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752 "2011-10-06T03:19:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Miss\_Sunshine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Miss\_Sunshine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Sunshine)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2011, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/181 "2011-11-11T20:37:00Z")
Am hoping they have partial nudity with the security guard (Morris Chestnut)😉 That would be so much better than Dylan McDermott’s butt that we saw in the first episode.:smack: ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2011, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/182 "2011-11-11T23:01:47Z")
> [@Miss\_Sunshine](#): > > Am hoping they have partial nudity with the security guard (Morris Chestnut)😉 > > That would be so much better than Dylan McDermott’s butt that we saw in the first episode.:smack: And what, pray, is wrong with Dylan McDermott’s butt???😕_I_ was impressed! ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Sunshine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Miss\_Sunshine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Sunshine)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/183 "2011-11-12T04:35:05Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > And what, pray, is wrong with Dylan McDermott’s butt???😕_I_ was impressed! It was ok…I just would rather see Morris Chestnut in that situation. To each its own…🆒 ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/184 "2011-11-12T05:52:34Z")
Am I the only one to go to the website they advertise during every episode? 'cause the issue of whether Constance’s meant her other children had Down’s too or not is plainly revealed on it. At least one of the other two children had Down’s as well, and was a girl younger than Addy: she’s shown holding Addy’s hand. [http://www.fxnetworks.com/ahsfamily/](http://www.fxnetworks.com/ahsfamily/). Since they’re labeled “The Daughters” it’s reasonable to assume the mysterious 4th was a boy. > [@SK12](#): > > You know, i was thinking after watching tonight’s episode that maybe Violet is now dead I think she was dead before they moved in. ---
**Author:** ![malkavia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malkavia/32/5621_2.png) [@malkavia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/malkavia)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/185 "2011-11-12T06:28:46Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > I just went back and re-watched that scene. The robber hiding in the shower pulls open the curtain, says “Who you calling’ a pig?”, and shoots Cam. \Biggie Smalls, Biggie Smalls, Biggie Smalls..\ ---
**Author:** ![Aghris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecccb3/32.png) [@Aghris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aghris)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/186 "2011-11-12T08:14:57Z")
> [@med36](#): > > I believe that the Ben sees her as she really is and the living see her as an old maid, because that is the only way she can work in the house. She has nowhere else to go so she desperately trys to keep her job in the house. Ben sees her as she is (not aged, like the other ghosts) because of his weakness with infidelity. > > Just a guess. > > Side bar- Last night’s murder of the patient who had the fear of the mirror was uncalled for, unless it comes into play later. Any thoughts? I think showing the man die sets an interesting pattern: every patient the shrink sees is either dead (Tate) or dies very soon (the house invader, the boring wife, Hayden, and now Pig man). Coincidence? I think very little is with this show. ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/187 "2011-11-12T13:47:05Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > I think [Violet] was dead before they moved in. Maybe; I suppose it’s not something that can be rejected out of hand. But I really doubt it. Violet is clearly shown to have capabilities that ghosts don’t have (such as traveling beyond the house at will) and that ghosts probably don’t have (vomiting after overdosing on pills). Beyond that, the show already features ghosts having to come to terms with their own deaths; I don’t see what that sort of twist would add (beyond complaints that “M Night Shyamalan did it!”.) > [@Aghris](#): > > I think showing the man die sets an interesting pattern: every patient the shrink sees is either dead (Tate) or dies very soon (the house invader, the boring wife, Hayden, and now Pig man). Coincidence? I think very little is with this show. The problem with _this_ guy’s story is that he doesn’t really fit the pattern. His death wasn’t connected with the supernatural generally or the house specifically — his murderer was a mundane, garden-variety robber — he just happened to choose a very bad time to face his phobia. Maybe they’ll do something to reconnect it later, but the whole sequence just felt like a cheap joke to me. ---
**Author:** ![Aghris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecccb3/32.png) [@Aghris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aghris)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/188 "2011-11-12T14:30:59Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > The problem with _this_ guy’s story is that he doesn’t really fit the pattern. His death wasn’t connected with the supernatural generally or the house specifically — his murderer was a mundane, garden-variety robber — he just happened to choose a very bad time to face his phobia. Maybe they’ll do something to reconnect it later, but the whole sequence just felt like a cheap joke to me. True, but the boring woman’s death wasn’t connected either. I just find it interesting that _everyone_ he treats ends up dead one way or another. I really doubt this isn’t relevant in some way. ---
**Author:** ![Omega\_Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7c8e57/32.png) [@Omega\_Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omega_Glory)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/189 "2011-11-12T14:48:50Z")
Did the boring lady die? I thought they found her unconscious at the hospital. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/190 "2011-11-12T15:18:37Z")
Speaking of, who goes to a psychiatrist because they’re boring? A therapist maybe, or a “life coach” (which they’d have in California certainly), but a psychiatrist? It’s not a disorder or something that responds to medication. ---
**Author:** ![ShelliBean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@ShelliBean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShelliBean)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/191 "2011-11-12T16:36:21Z")
She went to treat depression due to her husband leaving her because she is boring. ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/192 "2011-11-12T19:16:56Z")
> [@Omega\_Glory](#): > > Did the boring lady die? I thought they found her unconscious at the hospital. That’s my understanding, too, but I assumed my recollection was faulty since everyone else seemed to believe that she died. 😉 I thought she disappeared, with the audience clearly led to believe that Ben murdered her; but she was found living and injured later. I don’t think I have access to the episode right now to check. ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/193 "2011-11-12T20:45:38Z")
Because I’m _clearly_ putting off working on _someone’s_ dissertation (I won’t say whose, but his SDMB handle rhymes with “Car Annoyed, Van Void”), I checked. The boring patient attempted suicide through overdose, putting herself into a coma, but she was alive the last we the audience heard. (So a patient cuts herself in front of him, threatens to kill herself, and leaves; all of this is recorded; and then she immediately overdoses on pills and puts herself into a coma. All the police have to say is “it’s not a crime to be an asshole”? Even if it’s not technically _against the law_ in California to [edit: fail to] report plausible suicidal threats, he’s not getting out of that so easily.) ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/194 "2011-11-12T21:10:45Z")
They’d probably have filed charges if they hadn’t drifted off themselves while taking her deposition. ---
**Author:** ![SK12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/53a042/32.png) [@SK12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SK12)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/195 "2011-11-13T01:44:37Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > I just went back and re-watched that scene. The robber hiding in the shower pulls open the curtain, says “Who you calling’ a pig?”, and shoots Cam. His accomplice rushes in and says “What the hell did you do? This was supposed to be a robbery, now it’s murder. You asshole.” > > “He called me a pig.” (The robber is overweight and presumably sensitive about it.) > > “We gotta get out of here.” > > And then it cuts away. I don’t think “pig” is anyone’s nickname. My bad, you’re totally right. However, I made my boyfriend sit down and watch all the episodes with me again, and he had a really interesting theory, which I think is the theme we get out of the Piggy Piggy episode. He reckons that once the house knows what you fear, it will use that against you and that will ultimately lead to your demise. Examples: - Cam & his Piggyman fear: he goes as a patien and freely admits/talks about his fears to Ben. Add to that, he tries to overcome it in the house. Ultimately he is killed in the way he feared, although not by a monster - Bianca & her fear of being cut in half: this is exactly how she dies after Tate takes an axe to her. - Both couples we’ve seen so far (the Sylar gay couple; Viv & Ben) only want happiness and peace, yet completely disintegrate with very little choice but to continue living in the house. This is sort of what we get out Piggy Piggy as well - Ben talks about conquering fear, otherwise they give it power; all of this is interspersed with images of Viv & Security Guy getting comfy with each other while Ben watches from the outside. There’s more examples I’m pretty sure. My boyfriend mentioned this idea right after watching the pilot, and we watched the rest again and I kept thinking “Omg, that’s totally it…” Lol I’m totally getting involved with this show, I need to get off my ass and get back to work! Let me know what you guys think! ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/196 "2011-11-14T04:43:21Z")
Was anyone bugged that the school shooting didn’t match at all either the descriptions given by the students or their wounds? The jock had a bullet wound to the forehead, but they all got killed with the shotgun. The goth girl specifically said “you put a gun to my head and asked me if i believed in god then shot me anyways” and this didn’t happen at all. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/197 "2011-11-14T06:18:30Z")
[QUOTE=DigitalC] The goth girl specifically said “you put a gun to my head and asked me if i believed in god then shot me anyways” and this didn’t happen at all. [/QUOTE] I noticed that one. The exchange was a cut and paste from Columbine (there was a [book](http://www.amazon.com/She-Said-Yes-Unlikely-Martyrdom/dp/0874869870) about it) so I was listening for it. I hadn’t thought about the shotgun v. rifle but you’re right there as well; there’d have been little left of the head. Also the teacher didn’t seem like he’d aged 17 years (especially when you add the hell he’d have gone through medically and psychiatrically). ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/198 "2011-11-17T20:17:13Z")
Anyone find last night’s episode terribly interesting? It seemed like just so much filler to me. The whole bit with the Armenian could’ve ended on the cutting room floor without losing much. Random thoughts: [ol] [li]Now we’ve met another of Constance’s children. That makes three out of four; the delinquent twins are ruled out pretty definitively.[/li] [li]So Freddy Krueger didn’t kill his family after all. That makes him a little more sympathetic, I guess. This all comes down to an obsession with Constance?[/li] [li]Still don’t think Violet’s a ghost, but Tate’s remark that she has “evolved” (or something like that) makes that theory seem a little more plausible to me. For now I’ll chalk it up to a consequence of having been close to death during the suicide attempt.[/li] [li]The sequence with the gun was over the top, maybe, but I find myself loving the realtor. Explaining why she carries a gun in her purse (paraphrase): “This city is _full_ of minorities who wouldn’t hesitate to throw me on that table and ravish me.”[/li] [li]The only really interesting bits with relevance to the overall plot, so far as I figure, involved Vivian. First the fact that she’s having twins (who don’t seem to present with abnormalities after all), and second that she’s recognized the long-dead Nora as a recent visitor to the house. The tense music/editing/look on her face makes that seem important, although frankly I have my doubts that she wouldn’t be able to rationalize any resemblance as coincidence and hazy memory.[/li][/ol] > [@DigitalC](#): > > Was anyone bugged that the school shooting didn’t match at all either the descriptions given by the students or their wounds? The jock had a bullet wound to the forehead, but they all got killed with the shotgun. The goth girl specifically said “you put a gun to my head and asked me if i believed in god then shot me anyways” and this didn’t happen at all. Like **Sampiro** I didn’t notice that the wounds were different, but yeah, I definitely noticed — and was bugged by — the fact that the sequence didn’t go down as the students described. Particularly the asking-about-god bit. And agreed, that librarian hasn’t aged a fucking day. Is traumatic paraplegia the fountain of youth? ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/199 "2011-11-17T20:32:15Z")
Tate is Constance’s son, right? So who was the “mother” that Ben talked to? Foster parent? ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/200 "2011-11-17T21:37:34Z")
> [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](#): > > Tate is Constance’s son, right? So who was the “mother” that Ben talked to? Foster parent? Well, Tate’s been dead since the mid-90s and probably (mostly) constrained to the house, so I doubt there’s a foster parent involved. All I can figure is that Constance must’ve arranged for someone to play the part. (Another possibility: the writers are very bad at keeping things straight.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752.md?page=11)