# American Horror Story --- WTF??? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 6, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752 "2011-10-06T03:19:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/241 "2011-11-20T05:28:37Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > They never said it, but I got the impression he did more, like maybe kill and rob some of them, or blackmail them if they had any money or fame. His wife said something about “what we did to those poor girls”. I agree that a run-of-the-mill abortionist, even an illegal one [though one who actually knew what he was doing]), wouldn’t have that much to worry about karmically. Do we know that the ghosts are there because they’re being punished karmically? The doctor does seem to be a pretty messed up guy, but some of the other ghosts seem to be just misfortunate people who happened to die there. We didn’t seem the nursing students much, but they seemed normal. One of them was even staying in to study instead of going out to a concert if I’m remembering correctly. The twins were obnoxious and destructive, but since that applies to many teenagers it doesn’t seem worth eternal karmic punishment. We also haven’t yet seen the ghosts of some people who do deserve karmic punishment, like Constance’s husband and Larry’s wife. I’m guessing at some point this season there will be some explanation for who comes back as a ghost and why they’re trapped there, though I’m not expecting it to necessarily make sense or be consistent. But I’m enjoying the show and its craziness, and I’ll keep watching as long as it’s entertainingly crazy. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/242 "2011-11-20T15:11:44Z")
I still don’t think Larry’s wife and family died in the house, and Constances husband could be the guy in the rubber suit. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/243 "2011-11-20T17:55:44Z")
> [@Indygrrl](#): > > I must have missed them saying that. If he did kill one of his patients for a heart, that would definitely be bad. And making a frankenbaby, well, that goes without saying, lol. He didn’t say he killed her. Nora asked him “how?” [he revived the baby], and he said, “I used the heart of one of our girls.” I assume “our girls” means the patients. whether he killed her or she died of complications, or otherwise “naturally” wasn’t stated. > [@](#): > > Something else that bothers me about this show is the details they made sure to include in the pilot (Vivian’s obsession with organic, natural things, her playing the cello) have never been addressed again. Well, she did eat the offal because it was presented as “natural.” I expect those traits will be back, but there really hasn’t been much opportunity for cello playing lately. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/244 "2011-11-20T18:00:12Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > Do we know that the ghosts are there because they’re being punished karmically? One might think that from a standard gothic horror thematic perspective, but based on what we’ve seen on the show, I think you just have to die on the premises. We haven’t seen all the ghosts that “should” be there (like Larry’s wife and kids, Constance’s husband, etc.) and I’m sure we’ll find out more murders happened there, if the show lasts more than a season. The whole bit with Constance dragging Addy to the lawn and Addy being thankful she didn’t get there in time kinda points to the house being some kind of vortex that collects the ghosts of people who died there, whatever their karmic state. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/245 "2011-11-20T19:53:27Z")
On another topic, do you think Constance steals because she needs the money or do you think she’s just a kleptomaniac? We do know she ebays some of it (she said as much to the maid). ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/246 "2011-11-22T12:49:28Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > One might think that from a standard gothic horror thematic perspective, but based on what we’ve seen on the show, I think you just have to die on the premises. We haven’t seen all the ghosts that “should” be there (like Larry’s wife and kids, Constance’s husband, etc.) and I’m sure we’ll find out more murders happened there, if the show lasts more than a season. The whole bit with Constance dragging Addy to the lawn and Addy being thankful she didn’t get there in time kinda points to the house being some kind of vortex that collects the ghosts of people who died there, whatever their karmic state. Who was thankful? I don’t think it was Addy and I wouldn’t characterize Constance’s feeling that way based on her efforts to drag her onto the property before she expired. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/247 "2011-11-22T12:55:18Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Who was thankful? > > I don’t think it was Addy and I wouldn’t characterize Constance’s feeling that way based on her efforts to drag her onto the property before she expired. Well, I’m assuming the medium is legit. She said Addy was thankful. Addy’s spirit was scared of Tate and didn’t want to be trapped there with him. If the medium is a fake, that evidence is suspect. But yeah, Constance clearly wanted Addy to expire on the property so she wouldn’t “lose” her. It had nothing to do with karma, only coordinates. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2011, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/248 "2011-11-23T13:00:46Z")
I forgot about the medium… I wish she’d come back and explain some more of the story! ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Sunshine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Miss\_Sunshine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Sunshine)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/249 "2011-11-23T15:35:49Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > I forgot about the medium… I wish she’d come back and explain some more of the story! I hope so too..Can’ wait for tonight’s episode!!! Tonight we find out who the rubberman is? I would also like to know if Addie was always afraid of Tate? Or just of his spirit? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2011, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/250 "2011-11-23T16:03:06Z")
> [@Miss\_Sunshine](#): > > Tonight we find out who the rubberman is? My guess: Scott Baio. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/251 "2011-11-23T16:07:17Z")
Catching the end of DWTS last night (my wife and daughter were watching - honest!), where all the contestants participated in a big number, I realized, **Sampiro** , how right you are that AHS needs a big musical with all the ghosts, perhaps each getting his or her few bars to express their demise - through _dance_. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/252 "2011-11-23T16:46:41Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > My guess: Scott Baio. As himself or reviving his role as Chachi? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2011, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/253 "2011-11-23T18:15:33Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > As himself or reviving his role as Chachi? Those over 35 see him as Chachi, those under see him as “46 and pregnant”. ---
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2011, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/254 "2011-11-23T19:04:24Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Those over 35 see him as Chachi, those under see him as “46 and pregnant”. Waa Waa Waaaa! ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2011, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/255 "2011-11-23T20:13:03Z")
And it explains the bandana tied around Rubber Man’s leg. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2011, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/256 "2011-11-24T12:52:08Z")
My favorite part of the show has been the murders that are revealed in the opening so I was disappointed a bit last night. I wish I hadn’t watched the preview of the next episode… I don’t think I like the direction its headed in. Everything in between was good though! ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/257 "2011-11-25T01:20:27Z")
I didn’t know last night’s show was going to be a new one. I was prepared to watch a re-run and was like - surprise. … Tate? Somehow, I’m not buying it. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/258 "2011-11-25T04:47:05Z")
Yuck. I think the stuff with Chad and Patrick was way over-the-top and unnecessary, and the big reveal of Tate as Rubberman took what little suspense they had left away. They’ve lost all of their ghostly creep factor in favor of more realistic horrors. And frankly, I’m not into it. I much prefer the idea of not knowing everything that goes on (and has gone on) behind those walls. Getting all the answers just makes the whole thing boring as hell. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/259 "2011-11-25T05:10:41Z")
This timeline seems to be fairly comprehensive, if a bit speculative, but has a lot of information I don’t recognize from the show - perhaps from the website and spoilery? [http://americanhorrorstorytimeline.tumblr.com/post/11583263126/the-timeline](http://americanhorrorstorytimeline.tumblr.com/post/11583263126/the-timeline) Also > **[American Horror Story/Timeline](https://americanhorrorstory.fandom.com/wiki/American_Horror_Story/Timeline)** > > All seasons of American Horror Story are interconnected and share the same timeline. After the use of Tempus Infinituum, a time travel spell in Apocalypse, a new revised timeline was created. As a result, events changed by Tempus Infinituum are... ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752/260 "2011-11-25T13:02:10Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > This timeline seems to be fairly comprehensive, if a bit speculative, but has a lot of information I don’t recognize from the show - perhaps from the website and spoilery? > > [http://americanhorrorstorytimeline.tumblr.com/post/11583263126/the-timeline](http://americanhorrorstorytimeline.tumblr.com/post/11583263126/the-timeline) > > Also > [American Horror Story/Timeline | American Horror Story Wiki | Fandom](http://americanhorrorstory.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline) Any idea where the spoilery could be coming from? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-horror-story-wtf/598752.md?page=14)