# American Idol 2/10 & 11 (Plus Bonus Question) (OPEN SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 10, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265 "2009-02-10T19:44:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/81 "2009-02-12T16:56:34Z")
> [@LilyoftheValley](#): > > Am I the first to post this? > > [Joanna Pacitti disqualified from ‘American Idol,’ Felicia Barton in](http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/americanidoltracker/2009/02/contestant-swap.html) > > It seems to match the list here: [Watch American Idol TV Show - ABC.com](http://www.americanidol.com/top_36) HA! That’s the chick that Simon told Cara, would “make it as soon as **someone** gives her a chance.” And she’s somehow involved in “relationships” with **Executives** at 19 Management?! HA HA HA! ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/82 "2009-02-12T17:38:51Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > Was anyone else annoyed by the horrible editing on last night’s show? If you’re going to have Seacrest pretend that person X is going in at a certain time, then don’t show waiting room scenes a half-hour later that show that person hasn’t gone in yet. That waiting room went from full to empty to half-full to empty to full again about a dozen times. > > Particularly annoying was the welder/roughneck showdown, since they were “the last two remaining”. Then they come back to a half-room of contestants. If you’re going to try and manipulate the order for some sort of dramatic effect, then don’t obviously blow it every time someone walks back into the room…sheesh… I noticed that too. Are they even trying to pretend that they aren’t manipulating the audience anymore? Like Tuesday night when the contestants were made to “wait” in the four rooms while the judges decided. If the judges were still deciding, how did everyone know which room to go into, seeing as how they cut or kept a room at a time? ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/83 "2009-02-12T17:41:44Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > HA! That’s the chick that Simon told Cara, would “make it as soon as **someone** gives her a chance.” And she’s somehow involved in “relationships” with **Executives** at 19 Management?! HA HA HA! In reading her history, it appears that someone has given her a chance - a number of times. And, for whatever reasons, fair or foul, she just never took off. It is kinda sad after all. But I think it’s time she accepted that it just isn’t going to happen for her. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/84 "2009-02-12T17:51:06Z")
Yeah, that was kind of the point of Cara’s question. She’s had record deals with Geffen and A&M, been on some major motion picture soundtracks, had one of her songs covered by another band, but still hasn’t “made it”? And Simon said she’d “make it” when _someone_ gives her a break? That was a friggin’ joke, and he wasn’t even kidding! > [@](#): > > In 2000, at the age of 16, Pacitti was signed to a contract by A&M Records president Ron Fair, the man who discovered household names such as Christina Aguilera and Vanessa Carlton. She has appeared on some soundtracks, including Legally Blonde (2001), Bratz: Motion Picture Soundtrack (2007), and a five track promotional CD released with Mattel’s My Scene - Chelsea Spring Break (Series 2), called “My Scene - Chelsea Mix”. > > In 2002, the Taiwanese girl group S.H.E made a cover of Pacitti’s song “Watch Me Shine”. > > In 2005 Joanna appeared in an episode of What I Like About You titled “Sex and the Single Girls” playing Amber, a singer. > > In May 2006, Pacitti’s first single, “Let It Slide”, was released under Geffen Records and went to radio at the end of June. Her debut album, This Crazy Life, was released on August 15, 2006. > > [Joanna Pacitti - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_Pacitti#Music_Career) I am SO glad she’s out of the competition. ---
**Author:** ![DudleyGarrett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DudleyGarrett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DudleyGarrett)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/85 "2009-02-12T18:04:00Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Yeah, that was kind of the point of Cara’s question. She’s had record deals with Geffen and A&M, been on some major motion picture soundtracks, had one of her songs covered by another band, but still hasn’t “made it”? And Simon said she’d “make it” when _someone_ gives her a break? That was a friggin’ joke, and he wasn’t even kidding! I am SO glad she’s out of the competition. Yeah, I know other former contestants had some gigs prior, but this one’s a little much. She’s already been through the Hollywood paces, ate up and spit out. Too bad, so sad. She could just become a waitress/hooker like all the other washouts. I thought the spirit of American Idol was to discover unknown talent. ---
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/86 "2009-02-12T18:09:25Z")
I’m very curious what kind of “private relationships” she has with executives at 19 Management, particularly the plurality of it all. Was this a classic case of sleeping her way to a record deal? Scandalous! ---
**Author:** ![Sateryn76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Sateryn76](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sateryn76)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/87 "2009-02-12T18:11:51Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > I noticed that too. Are they even trying to pretend that they aren’t manipulating the audience anymore? Like Tuesday night when the contestants were made to “wait” in the four rooms while the judges decided. If the judges were still deciding, how did everyone know which room to go into, seeing as how they cut or kept a room at a time? It reminded me of that \*Simpsons \*episode when he’s being interviewed about the sexual harassment charge, and the clock behind him keeps changing… Editing shouldn’t be that obvious… ETA: Also, since the contestants knew there would be 36 going through, if Welder and Roughneck were the last ones in the room, wouldn’t they figure it out? ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/88 "2009-02-12T18:22:35Z")
> [@Sateryn76](#): > > ETA: Also, since the contestants knew there would be 36 going through, if Welder and Roughneck were the last ones in the room, wouldn’t they figure it out? Seriously! If I was in that position I would be counting every single person who made it before me in order to figure out my chances. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/89 "2009-02-12T19:01:45Z")
> [@Sateryn76](#): > > ETA: Also, since the contestants knew there would be 36 going through, if Welder and Roughneck were the last ones in the room, wouldn’t they figure it out? I’m convinced they weren’t the last ones in real life. Just more AI editing / fake-amp-up-the-drama shenanigans. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/90 "2009-02-12T19:06:17Z")
> [@Sateryn76](#): > > Also, since the contestants knew there would be 36 going through, if Welder and Roughneck were the last ones in the room, wouldn’t they figure it out? People seemed to be moving in and out of that room, some of them even hanging out outside (that’s where they showed Danny and his friend). Last season (or the one before, I can’t keep them straight anymore), near the end, Ryan even commented that the kids in the room were doing the math and realizing it was going to come down to two people (or something like that). Anyway, at least the intelligence of the kids wasn’t insulted, and there was an acknowledgment that the math was easy enough to keep track of. ETA: That kind of makes me wonder if they weren’t moving kids around to different rooms, or bringing them upstairs to wait their turn, before others were sent back down saying whether they made it or not, so by the time the last 2 guys got up there, they really didn’t know how many had made it through. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/91 "2009-02-12T19:21:19Z")
What happens next? We aren’t going to be voting for 36, are we? Don’t we vote when there are 12 left? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/92 "2009-02-12T19:26:02Z")
We were wondering last night if anyone knows if there is any pay for contestants at any point. I think they only get paid once they win (or come in second) and get a record deal - does anyone have the Straight Dope on this? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/93 "2009-02-12T19:26:22Z")
[Here’s the youtube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWXT7yox0Gg) of Nathan Headband’s reaction to seeing that Crazyana had made it through. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/94 "2009-02-12T19:27:47Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > What happens next? We aren’t going to be voting for 36, are we? Don’t we vote when there are 12 left? I thought 12 sing every week for the first 3 weeks, and “America” put the top 3 through. This adds up to 9 total “voted for” finalists. Then, the judges take the remaining 25 losers and pick either 3 or 4 more(I’m assuming one per judge). This would actually make the “finalists” 13 instead of 12. This is how Clay Aiken got picked in season 2, actually. Is this close? By the way, they replaced Joanna-cheater with another from the loser pool. Some girl named Felicia Barton got a reprieve. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/95 "2009-02-12T19:30:13Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > What happens next? We aren’t going to be voting for 36, are we? Don’t we vote when there are 12 left? They’re breaking them into 3 groups of 12. Each group will perform on successive weeks, and the top 3 vote-getters from each week are in the finals. I think the rest of the F12 is then filled out with the next 3 top vote-getters over all. ---
**Author:** ![DudleyGarrett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DudleyGarrett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DudleyGarrett)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/96 "2009-02-12T19:53:45Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > [Here’s the youtube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWXT7yox0Gg) of Nathan Headband’s reaction to seeing that Crazyana had made it through. My God… I’m dying over here… ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/97 "2009-02-12T21:17:30Z")
The bit with the two blond girls reminded me of Kristen Wiig in_Knocked Up_. “You’ve got to change your style, honey. Don’t stand out, just… you know, ‘tighten up’!” What a boring, interchangeable line-up of blah boys and think brunette girls. They’re going to have to have Tatania on 'til the top three to keep me as a viewer (_shudder_). ---
**Author:** ![shelbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@shelbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shelbo)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/98 "2009-02-12T21:50:53Z")
> [@jali](#): > > I can’t believe Jamar was cut and Tatiana is in. > > When she’s voted off (soon I hope), she’ll start begging the audience for “one more chance” and she’ll start desperately singing random bits of songs - crazy runs trying to grasp something that’s not there for her. > > The show’s producers will have to go to black while she’s pulled off the stage, sobbing hysterically, screaming, “but this is what I want.” > > I had sympathy (just a little) when I thought she was 16 or so. The chick is 23. I really, really can’t wait for that. You know they’re going to milk it for all they’re worth! ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/99 "2009-02-13T03:04:11Z")
The blonde with the short hair looked like a blonde Molly Ringwald to me. Hmm. Alexis Grace. I looked her up. I wasn’t going to watch this year but, frankly, I’ve got nothing better to do. I hope someone inspires me at some point. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265/100 "2009-02-13T07:02:49Z")
> [@Gary\_T](#): > > So two attractive blondes have a sing-off, and Simon asks the other judges if they want to go with the attractive blonde or with the other one. Obvious as hell that’s he being clever, having a little joke. But Kara and Paula start giving him grief about basing it all on looks and just focusing on the attractiveness of the attractive one (uh, hello ladies, they’re **both** attractive). Are K and P really that dim? Worse than that, the question was to pick the attractive blonde one, or the one who could sing. I thought it was obvious that both descriptions applied to both girls, but none of the other judges got it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-2-10-11-plus-bonus-question-open-spoilers/485265.md?page=6)