# American Idol 3/29-30 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 29, 2005, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812 "2005-03-29T21:30:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Queen\_Tonya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/4491bb/32.png) [@Queen\_Tonya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Tonya)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812/141 "2005-04-01T01:53:30Z")
Ooh! This might be a nice validation for those of us who’ve been saying he’s not the most trustworthy and honorable young man, eh? 😃 In Season 2, Corey Clark was disqualified and his offense was failure to disclose _pending_ battery charges. The charges were battery against his 15 yo sister, resisting arrest and criminal restraint. IANAL, but from what I remember, his parents and sister were all over any TV show that’d listen talking about it being a misunderstanding and a total non-issue. I think the spin was that he was the big brother in charge, li’l sis was up to no good, he pulled rank and stopped her, it got loud and was in the front yard, neighbors called the cops. It’s not hard to see how he could have been all testosteroned up and resenting the inference that he was whaling on his kid sister, leading to the resisting and restraint charges. Idol didn’t care, however, and dropped him. They didn’t bother redoing the entire schedule, just didn’t send anyone home that week. Now, Idol could choose to keep Scott, although most anyone would agree roughing up your babymama trumps keeping your baby sister from getting into trouble, but Corey’s charges were current, Scott’s issues are past news, eh? Very exciting stuff! ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812/142 "2005-04-01T04:16:36Z")
Well, that’s great; that’s f------ great. Well, it’s his funeral, and maybe theirs as well. ---
**Author:** ![Queen\_Tonya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/4491bb/32.png) [@Queen\_Tonya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Tonya)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812/143 "2005-04-01T04:32:39Z")
Yep, that makes sense. Idol’s official statement about Corey wasn’t “We don’t want a criminal” but “failure to disclose” after all. Can look like a double standard, but isn’t, if all Idol wants is the ability to make their choices prior to stuff leaking. Trenyce was busted for forging checks but admitted it, Frenchie was DQed for working on a GirlsGoneWildesque site and not admitting it. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812/144 "2005-04-01T04:37:24Z")
> [@lezlers](#): > > I find it fascinating how subjective this is. In this thread alone one person will say how much they love Nikko and another will say how he’s a horrible singer. I understand personal preference but _damn_. There are a lot of singers out there that I personally don’t enjoy listening to (Celine Dion for example) but I would never say the woman _couldn’t sing_. Of course she can sing. I just don’t particularly enjoy listening to her. Hey, **lezlers** , this is the best post to this thread yet! You’re spot on. Nikko has a very good voice. He just likes (imo) horrid R&B. He was good this week, though the sound guys had him too quiet at the beginning of the song. > [@](#): > > I agree that Carrie’s “X-factor” is pure marketability. I watched an E True Hollywood Story on Simon and about 90% of the acts he produced were pure money machines. We’re talking total candy-pop. The man isn’t interested in musical talent or originality, he’s interested in dollar signs. Nothing wrong with that, except when he tries to act like he’s trying to find the most talented musican. He’s not looking for a talented musican, he’s looking for something he can package up neatly and sell to millions of teeny-boppers. Knowing that, it’s not shocking how much he’s been pimping Carrie and I think he’ll be pimping Constantine a lot more in the upcoming weeks. Thanks for the info on Simon. No great shock, really, he’s British. The UK has had incredibly awful pop charts since the '80’s at least. (I don’t know before then.) OK, let’s see how this week felt to me: Bo is very showy, very professional, but if it’s all like this, I may defect to Constantine. Still, a 9.5 performance. Jessica wasn’t perfect, but this was about 9 out of ten. 8.8, maybe. Randy’s pinpointed for me what Anwar is doing wrong, & it’s not just this week. I was happy to let Anwar go back to teaching kids, but now I feel sorry for his students, if he teaches them to be sloppy about all but the big notes. I called it 8.1 out of ten, which is a low score at this stage. (I’m like a figure-skating judge, see?) On second thought, it’s probably really a 7; still, he has some idea what he’s doing, & a pretty voice. Nadia did alright. She’s not the big-note girl, but it’s not all about that. Still my crush object, which means I’m not so objective. In the 8’s. Constantine did well. I think I’m liking him better than Bo. 9.0. Nikko deserves to be in this a while longer. He’s not my personal favorite anymore (I like neither Sisqo nor The Jackson Five so much), but I’m not holding that against him. Um, in the 8’s, I guess. Anthony is out of his league now. Charismatic amateur, whatever. Should have kept the glasses. High 7’s. Carrie is still the giant voice doing songs I don’t care for. Whatever, she’s solid. Next! Scott was like nails on a chalkboard. 6.0? 4.9? Vonzell was good. Don’t remember what I rated her, but… I had my bottom 3. Anthony the power amateur, Anwar the sloppy, Scott the squeak. This seemed like Anwar’s week to go. Would have been Anthony’s, but his fans would give him a bump after the bottom-3 scare last week. But I had a grudge against Scott (the Affirmative Action fat&ugly candidate who’s not as good as people’s sympathy wants to pretend) since he got in over the much superior Nikko. I don’t try to stuff the boxes, but I told myself when it got to this point—enough more guys than girls left that girls are safer—I would vote 5 times for every guy but Scott. Then again, I don’t want to vote for Anthony or Anwar either this week. So, 5 votes for Anthony & Anwar, ten for everybody else, making Scott “negative 5.” Yeah, it’s a drop in the bucket. But that’s what I did. So Wednesday rolls around, & there’s Nadia & Jessica in the bottom three. OK, at least Nadia’s 3rd from bottom, that’s upward motion. But in the bottom 3 two weeks in a row? And Jessica?!! Oh, no, the teenies are dissing the “stocky girl,” & hate the flirty older woman! So much for a singing competition! OK, so now I’m mad. Looks like a tipping point to me. I actually sort of expect Nadia to be voted off next week, & then it’d be all about the guys. If token females Carrie & Vonzell aren’t enough to keep the male audience watching, it could just turn all-testosterone real fast. So I already know I’m going to be voting a lot for Nadia & Vonzell just to play handicap. 'Cos the girls deserve better. Scott & Anthony just don’t belong in here if Jessica’s gone. _wondering where Suzy Vulaca is now,_ ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812/145 "2005-04-01T04:43:01Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > I don’t try to stuff the boxes, but I told myself when it got to this point—enough more guys than girls left that girls are safer—I would vote 5 times for every guy but Scott… And, of course, what looked like an opening, which was Scott sucking mightily & with a mighty sucking sound. Oh, well, it’s down to whichever boy has the greatest constituency of teenies for whom he’s the favorite. Well, maybe with Carrie & Vonzell as the female-for-male equivalents. But is it going to be about music? Maybe not until the bottom 3 or so, when most faves (& hates!) are out. Then it’ll switch back. ---
**Author:** ![annieclaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5a626/32.png) [@annieclaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annieclaus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812/146 "2005-04-01T04:44:19Z")
> [@Good Egg](#): > > I have a feeling this will decrease his likability factor, specially among women. :smack: This assumes he HAS a “likability factor” among women. Highly debatable. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812/147 "2005-04-01T04:51:25Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > Mr. Rilch says it’s like Justice League of America, or the X-Men, or any team of superheroes. Everyone has to be an individual; you can’t have two people with the same, or even similar, powers. Can’t have The Thing and The Hulk in the same group, for instance. > > …Nadia is the big-voiced diva… > > So who does that leave, at this point? Vonzell and Scott. Vonzell is another big-voiced diva, and Scott is…I don’t know how to classify him. If they don’t find some way to distinguish themselves, they’ll be the next to fall through the cracks. Nah, Vonzell’s the female R&B singer, the female Nikko. Scott’s the big fat mutant baby. Nadia is more Tina Turner than Vonzell’s Whitney Houston, & she’s almost the female Constantine. And she’s older, which may be her downfall. Pity. I like her. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812/148 "2005-04-01T05:46:21Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Nah, Vonzell’s the female R&B singer, the female Nikko. Scott’s the big fat mutant baby. Nadia is more Tina Turner than Vonzell’s Whitney Houston, & she’s almost the female Constantine. Yes, I’ve reconsidered since I posted that. At the outset, it looked like Nadia was **the** diva and Vonzell was the also-ran. That seems to have reversed. ---
**Author:** ![threeorange](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@threeorange](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threeorange)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812/149 "2005-04-01T11:29:47Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > Yes, I’ve reconsidered since I posted that. At the outset, it looked like Nadia was **the** diva and Vonzell was the also-ran. That seems to have reversed. Why compare to Nadia to Vonzell? in terms of song choice and vocal/performance style, Vonzell is most similar to Nikko (only better), and Nadia is most similar to Bo (only not as good). As far as I can see, Vonzell has one thing in common with Nadia, and it’s being given exaggerated importance. ---
**Author:** ![ioioio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ioioio/32/316_2.png) [@ioioio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ioioio)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812/150 "2005-04-01T13:02:58Z")
USA Today is reporting that Fox will keep Scott on the show. [link](http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2005-03-31-idol-arrest_x.htm) > [@](#): > > According to a statement issued by Fox and Idol producers Thursday night: "Scott Savol was forthcoming to the American Idol producers and the network regarding his misdemeanor. > > After reviewing the facts, in which the charges were reduced to disorderly conduct, we felt that considering Scott’s honesty and his remorse, the situation did not warrant his disqualification." ---
**Author:** ![annieclaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5a626/32.png) [@annieclaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annieclaus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812/151 "2005-04-01T13:46:07Z")
I’ll admit that I’m biased toward Nadia. From the first minute I saw her in those hideous, never-ending auditions, she just jumped through the screen to me. She is Different and in a contest like AI, that’s important. While I have nothing against Vonzell, to me she is a Whitney Wannabee. There is nothing about her that sets her apart and gives her her own persona. In AI-World, that’s a negative. Re: Scott. I grew up in a Cleveland suburb that was just one suburb removed from Shaker Heights. When I lived there, Shaker was the home of Extreme Prepdom. Scott Savol just doesn’t fit that picture. What happened? ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812/152 "2005-04-01T14:04:32Z")
The story will kill Scott even if he does stay on the show. I imagine people won’t want to vote for him so much, now. Rumors from TWoP is that next week’s theme is **Coast to Coast** , which is taken to mean songs with cities and states in the title or lyrics and maybe road songs thrown in for good measure. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812/153 "2005-04-01T14:05:01Z")
Ooooh, Scott had tripled his creepy points. Go Scott! And here I was worried that the AI scrubbers had prettied him up too much. Kelly Clarkson is R&B? I didn’t watch AI the first season, so I don’t know how she came off during the competition, but what she’s released since certainly isn’t R&B. I think Vonzell is just herself. First she was accused of being a Beyonce wannabe and now a Whitney wannabe. Being black, pretty and a very good singer makes you copycat, apparently. Nikko can’t sing. He’s pulling a fast one on all of you. He’s playing fast and loose with the notes and doing some creative notesliding. Just like Al B Sure! And I know every song he’s sung and it ain’t right. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812/154 "2005-04-01T17:39:49Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > Rumors from TWoP is that next week’s theme is … If this rumor is true, then I give the producers over there +5 points for coming up with a new theme, and -500 points for coming up with a new theme that is so lame there aren’t even words for it. Because I can already guess what Bo is going to be singing, and it rhymes with “Beet Bome Balabama.” ---
**Author:** ![ioioio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ioioio/32/316_2.png) [@ioioio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ioioio)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812/155 "2005-04-01T19:28:04Z")
That theme would work out pretty well for several of the contestants in addition to Bo. Carrie - Oklahoma Constantine - New York New York Nikko - Route 66 Anthony - Philadelphia Freedom Scott - Hit the Road, Jack ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2005, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812/156 "2005-04-01T23:44:50Z")
😉 “Hit the Road, Jack” indeed. If Bo sings “Sweet Home Alabama” he loses me. That’s a lyrically awful song with a good hook. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812/157 "2005-04-02T00:24:43Z")
But “Hit the Road, Jack” doesn’t have cities and/or states in the lyric. ---
**Author:** ![ioioio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ioioio/32/316_2.png) [@ioioio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ioioio)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812/158 "2005-04-02T01:38:57Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > But “Hit the Road, Jack” doesn’t have cities and/or states in the lyric. I was counting it as a “road” song. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-3-29-30/296812.md?page=7)