# American Idol 4/21 to 4/22 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 21, 2009, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-21-to-4-22/493859 "2009-04-21T16:22:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-21-to-4-22/493859/121 "2009-04-23T19:16:02Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > I missed the end of the results show last night. Did they say what next week’s theme is going to be? [Rat Pack Night](http://news-briefs.ew.com/2009/04/post-1.html). ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-21-to-4-22/493859/122 "2009-04-23T19:29:22Z")
I can picture 4 of the final 5 handling Rat Pack standards easily. Allison may have a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-21-to-4-22/493859/123 "2009-04-23T19:46:18Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Judges have said many times that a performer should make the song their own. Adam has done that better than any other idol ever did. He is not my taste ,but I think he is the best . On the other hand, they have been wildly inconsistent about the practice of taking a song completely out of the genre over the years, which both Kris and Adam did. ---
**Author:** ![BetsQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/fbc32d/32.png) [@BetsQ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BetsQ)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-21-to-4-22/493859/124 "2009-04-23T19:50:01Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > [Rat Pack Night](http://news-briefs.ew.com/2009/04/post-1.html). Good grief. I need some more musical education. Anyone care to tell me about the Rat Pack and what we might expect to see next week? Seriously, I had no idea I was this musically sheltered. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-21-to-4-22/493859/125 "2009-04-23T19:56:39Z")
> [@BetsQ](#): > > Good grief. I need some more musical education. Anyone care to tell me about the Rat Pack and what we might expect to see next week? > > Seriously, I had no idea I was this musically sheltered. Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr. (and Peter Lawford and Joey Bishop, non-singers). ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-21-to-4-22/493859/126 "2009-04-23T20:01:55Z")
> [@BetsQ](#): > > Good grief. I need some more musical education. Anyone care to tell me about the Rat Pack and what we might expect to see next week? > > Seriously, I had no idea I was this musically sheltered. The Rat Pack consisted of Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr, Peter Lawford, and Joy Bishop. Peter was an actor and Joey was a comedian, so we’re mostly talking about Frank, Dean, and Sammy when it comes to music. They’re mostly crooners, lounge singers. I’m not versed enough to give a good analysis, but here’s some samples of their music, most probably the songs that’ll be sung: Frank: [My Way](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w25TylDyQBY) [Mack the Knife](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGdwQf2a0W0) (not really Frank’s song, but a fantastic rendition of it) [My Kind of Town (Chicago Is)](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5ZyrTg4dIY) Dean: [Volare](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgeI0NeOjhI) [Everybody Loves Somebody Sometime](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXFoOYxMnvg) [That’s Amore](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS6-b7CONDI) Sammy: [Mr. Bojangles](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMcfUjIguSs) [The Candy Man](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRf1Ad_Txsg) There may be other songs the contestants will pick in an effort to be original, but those are some of the most well-known ones. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-21-to-4-22/493859/127 "2009-04-23T20:18:45Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > If you guys haven’t heard the iTunes studio recordings of these people, they’re very illuminating. Among the things I discovered: > > - Kris sounds better than anyone in the studio. His voice is much better than you can hear on the TV show, probably because his low register is very good and it doesn’t come through well in a compressed TV audio feed (and, because the AI sound people are hacks). You can hear [Falling Slowly](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0LISmz8WVc) here.\ Wow - now I see what he was going for. He totally didn’t get there on stage, but the studio version is just lovely. My biggest knock against him performing is that he can be very boring on stage - his great voice doesn’t always seem to translate live. [Here’s his version of “Ain’t No Sunshine When She’s Gone”](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SytWTWMu7TY&feature=related), one of my favourite songs. I took a listen to Lil in the studio to see if she could do better there; definitely better, but still not quite there. She is right next door to a very good singer; I just don’t know what she’s missing. ETA: Yup, gospel is definitely her home, after listening to “The Rose.” I was happy with her and Anoop going yesterday - she just wasn’t getting it, and Anoop had reached the limit of his talent. I really hope Kris stays around to the end, because he has some real potential as a singer. Adam is, as others have said, the ultimate performer. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-21-to-4-22/493859/128 "2009-04-23T22:10:55Z")
Just being able to do Frank Sinatra gives you a lot of space to work. He did a good number of pop standards–Gershwin, Porter, Rodgers & Hart–name one, and he might have done it. He also has some songs you could rock up, like “My Way” (any doubts, see Vicious comma Sid) and “That’s Life” (David Lee Roth did a good version). He also covered The Beatles, Billy Joel. Hell, even Kermit the Frog. Throw in Dean and Sammy and you should be able to go whichever direction you want. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-21-to-4-22/493859/129 "2009-04-23T22:20:31Z")
My song suggestions: Adam: Night and Day (Nelson Riddle arrangement) Kris: I Concentrate on You (Jobim’s arrangement will work beautifully with the same acoustic/rhythm section Kris brought this week) Gokey: Candy Man (poifect!) Lil: Get Happy Matt: Ain’t that a Kick in the Head. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-21-to-4-22/493859/130 "2009-04-23T22:26:53Z")
Lil is gonesville. I think you mean Allison. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-21-to-4-22/493859/131 "2009-04-23T23:20:41Z")
Oh yeah. I’ll give Allison Mambo Italiano. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-21-to-4-22/493859/132 "2009-04-23T23:37:22Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > Oh yeah. I’ll give Allison Mambo Italiano. Careful, man, she’s only like 16. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-21-to-4-22/493859/133 "2009-04-24T15:08:19Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > Oh yeah. I’ll give Allison Mambo Italiano. The only version of Mambo Italiano I can think of was Rosemary Clooney’s. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-21-to-4-22/493859/134 "2009-04-24T20:55:03Z")
Deano did it too. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S-7Ap6J\_FU](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S-7Ap6J_FU) But yeah, the point is that Allison can do it Rosemary Clooney style. Good song for someone with big pipes. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-21-to-4-22/493859/135 "2009-04-24T21:19:21Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > I like Adam and will be pleased when he wins, but he doesn’t set my heart on fire the way David Cook did. I love. Love. LOVE David Cook, he grabbed my heart and squeezed it last year. (I cried when he won.) Adam is pretty and shiny and talented and a star and the best of the lot, but he doesn’t …move me…I loved Bo Bice much the same way as I did DC. I thought his a cappella number was awesome,and am sorry HE dropped off the face of the earth, too. I’m with you; I can acknowledge that Adam is great, as were Fantasia and Melinda, but my preference is for DC and Bo Bice (and even Michael Johns). Bo Bice took time off and has a baby now, but I think has put out an album. And I am waiting for the alert from amazon when Michael Johns’s album comes out! ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-21-to-4-22/493859/136 "2009-04-24T23:54:15Z")
For other Cook fans - he gave a free concert at his old high school the day after his sold out casino concert in Kansas city this week. At the casino he had his younger brother come on stage to sing with him. Cookie is cool[http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNM7ewV\_xy0&feature=channel](http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNM7ewV_xy0&feature=channel) [http://http://www.examiner.net/davidcook/x50630030/BEST-assembly-EVER-David-Cook-surprises-his-alma-mater-with-concert](http://http://www.examiner.net/davidcook/x50630030/BEST-assembly-EVER-David-Cook-surprises-his-alma-mater-with-concert) (Hope this isn’t too far off topic or been mentioned before) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-21-to-4-22/493859.md?page=6)