# American Idol 4/22 and 4/23 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2008, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405 "2008-04-22T15:23:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/121 "2008-04-23T09:01:27Z")
**Sam** , just curious why you say Carly “nailed it” when she screwed the lyrics so badly. And I don’t mean just the small word substitutions throughout; I mean the really bad “Jesus Christ, _Superstar_, Who are you, what have you _sacrificed_?”. And while she sang “Superstar” the backups sang “Jesus Christ” correctly. It’s supposed to be like this: _Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ Who are you? What have you sacrificed? Jesus Christ, Superstar Do you think you’re what they say you are?_ I mean, I can see saying she did well despite the errors. But not that she “nailed it”. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/122 "2008-04-23T11:24:26Z")
Dial Idol has spoken, and according to their predictions, the one going home is… Carly, with Brooke alongside in the bottom 2 If this is true it will make for one hell of an elimination night. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/123 "2008-04-23T11:37:10Z")
Plus… David Cook won the top spot handily. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/124 "2008-04-23T11:43:23Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Plus… David Cook won the top spot handily. [/QUOTE] I think that’s the first time it hasn’t even been close. ---
**Author:** ![Barrett\_Bonden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5e9695/32.png) [@Barrett\_Bonden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barrett_Bonden)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/125 "2008-04-23T12:43:36Z")
I really really wanted to like the performances tonight, but I didn’t. Except for Syesha, who chose a perfect song for her and then did a damn fine job. I’m fond of Jason but his performance was awful. As was Brooke’s. I admired David A’s shook-up arrangement, but wish he had chosen a meatier song. While ALW emphasized the story of a song, his songs generally _don’t_ have much story, and that song, by design, has less story than most. I love it when David believes what he’s singing; here, there was nothing to believe. I didn’t really like David C’s song. He’s not the best singer to attempt the tune (although he was worlds, no **galaxies** better than Gerard Butler) but that could have been overlooked for a truly sexy performance. Which it really wasn’t. It was sincere, but that’s David A’s schtick. I enjoyed Carly’s performance and thought it was a good choice for her. She didn’t change up anything. JCS is a rock opera and that arrangement was straight from the soundtrack. My only real complaint is that she didn’t understand the song. (That whole thing ALW was chastising Brooke about.) Based on Carly’s demeanor, one might think that Judas was a happy-go-lucky guy singing a rockin’ tribute to his BFF JC. Oooooo-kay. ---
**Author:** ![Rachael\_Rage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@Rachael\_Rage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachael_Rage)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/126 "2008-04-23T12:49:15Z")
[QUOTE=Drain Bead] Dial Idol has spoken, and according to their predictions, the one going home is… Carly, with Brooke alongside in the bottom 2 If this is true it will make for one hell of an elimination night. [/QUOTE] Last week they got it wrong, predicting Syesha would leave. I think there’s enough margin for error that the bottom 2 at least, and possibly the bottom 3, are all fair game. That said, I voted a lot for Carly and never got a busy signal. I’ll be bummed if she goes - it’s not her time yet. ---
**Author:** ![yellowval](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/919ad9/32.png) [@yellowval](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowval)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/127 "2008-04-23T13:55:35Z")
Surprisingly, I thought the best part about last night’s show was Andrew Lloyd Webber. I love it when the mentors interact with them and don’t just say, “Oh, s/he was great!” That said, the performances were a whole lot of “meh” and a little bit of “holy crap, that sucked.” This is hard for me because I like everyone who’s left. It’s a strong top six. 1. Syesha—Her best by far. Loved the personality; it’s what I’ve been looking for from her all season. 2. David C.—This definitely isn’t his gig but he sang it flawlessly. 3. David A.—Really good. Not his best, but really good. 4. Carly—Carly, I like you, and I think you can sing really well. I do not like, however, when you shout at me. If you hadn’t shouted, you’d be in the number two spot tonight. 5. Brooke—What is happening to her? I feel like we’re watching her totally lose it on national television and I don’t like it. She’s lost her sparkle and I want her to get it back. 6. Jason—Oh dear, poor Jason. You can’t warble show tunes, man. That’s really all I have to say about that. ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Tiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Mama\_Tiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Tiger)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/128 "2008-04-23T14:01:30Z")
[QUOTE=Sam Stone] I didn’t hear Carly working against the backup singers - she was singing a counter-melody. It’s a fairly common technique where you let the backup singers take the melody, then you sing an alternate melody around it. That was the part that actually impressed me, because it takes good timing to pull that off when you’re using different notes and coming in on different beats. [/QUOTE] I guess we heard it differently. Yes, she was singing a counter-melody – but to me it just clashed horribly both melodically and rhythmically, didn’t work as a counter at all. The whole time through each chorus I was convinced she was about one hair away from losing the rhythm altogether. And the lyrics were totally wrong; that grated on me as much as on **Liberal**. Damn you, Carly, for making me agree with **Liberal** about a reality show contestant! Looking at the Dialidol results, it really looks to me as if the margin of error amongst the bottom four is close enough that really any of them could go. So I won’t be surprised by anything except a Shocking! Elimination! of either David. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/129 "2008-04-23T15:34:35Z")
[QUOTE=Silver Fire] I hate that she pointed out that it’s the “first time” she’s forgotten a lyric on the show. So what? There are 4 people sharing a stage with you who have NEVER done that. [/QUOTE] I thought the do-over was better than just mangling an entire verse, like David A did on Beatles night. Yes, it’s unprofessional, but it’s live TV. What show was Syesha’s song from? David A’s voice just disappeared on the low end of the range. But I liked the arrangement he chose. I enjoyed David C’s performance, right up until the final note. What the hell was that? If there’s any justice, Jason and Brooke should be packing. Lots of gender bending tonight – David A and Jason singing songs intended for women, and Carly singing a man’s part. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/130 "2008-04-23T15:45:04Z")
Dialidol has Carly and Brooke as the bottom two. I think I’d rather see Carly go. As much as I initially hated Brooke, I’m starting to almost feel sorry for her now. Carly is more obnoxious and more self-satisfied. I would like to see her journey end tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/131 "2008-04-23T15:50:01Z")
Crazy prediction time - I came in here to predict Carly going home (no, I don’t keep up on ‘dial-idol’). And I predict Brooke will win it all (remember Taylor Hicks?) David A is the Melinda Doolittle/Katherine McPhee of this season, great technically, good fan base starting out, but eventually drifting away. There, I said it. ---
**Author:** ![DudleyGarrett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DudleyGarrett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DudleyGarrett)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/132 "2008-04-23T16:00:13Z")
I liked David C. a lot. I liked Syesha and Carly OK. I didn’t like David A., Brooke, and Jason. That said, I don’t like Brooke’s demeanor. She seems to be one of those types who constantly has to talk over people. I have a relative like that and hate it. I find myself yelling to get into a conversation. Anyway, I really liked Paula’s critique of her. She was cold and honest. But then Brooke had to say something like, “First time I’ve ever forgotten a lyric on this show!” – Buh-fucking-bye. ---
**Author:** ![beckwall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b487fb/32.png) [@beckwall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beckwall)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/133 "2008-04-23T16:01:51Z")
I can’t get Drain Bead and Liberal’s spoiler boxes to open! That sounds slightly sexual, sorry. I need to see those predictions, damn it! I did the three clicks, but nothing happened. Don’t tell me this is a Vista thing… ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/134 "2008-04-23T16:11:51Z")
Okay, well it’s open knowledge by now, and \*\*Dio \*\* revealed **Drain Bead** ’s anyway. Mine was that David Cook is number 1 by a mile. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/135 "2008-04-23T16:11:53Z")
[QUOTE=beckwall] I can’t get Drain Bead and Liberal’s spoiler boxes to open! That sounds slightly sexual, sorry. I need to see those predictions, damn it! I did the three clicks, but nothing happened. Don’t tell me this is a Vista thing… [/QUOTE] No need for anything fancy like 3 clicks. Just click&drag your mouse across the black background, highlighting the hidden text therein. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/136 "2008-04-23T16:25:17Z")
Since they have no way to track text message votes, Dial Idol has a significant margin of error at times. I think it unlikely Carly will be out even tho she is in the bottom spot. I’m expecting Brooke to get the boot. Jason probably _should_, based on how lame his performance was last night, but he has a fan base that is pretty motivated to vote for him no matter what. I can’t imagine a scenario where either of the Davids or Syesha go at this point. And **Sampiro** , as usual your analysis of the night was wickedly funny. I second your idea of Jason in the Speedo, BTW. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/137 "2008-04-23T17:20:31Z")
Dial Idol has Carly at the bottom, with Jason and Brooke just above her–no surprises there. I didn’t actually think Carly was so bad, but Jason and Brooke were awful, just embarrassing. Syesha kicked butt. I’d never heard that song before, either. David A. was pretty good, but not nearly as good as David C., though I could have done without that last twisted note. ---
**Author:** ![Long\_Time\_First\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@Long\_Time\_First\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Long_Time_First_Time)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/138 "2008-04-23T17:43:15Z")
[QUOTE=Gangster Octopus] I have a theory about why it isn’t as interesting. There have been enough Idol “losers” to have success, that I think folks realize that David Cook, for example, doesn’t have to win to have a successful career. BTW, am I the only one who hates the live audience. I mena i like the audience during the performances, but they totally get on my nerves during the judges critiques. [/QUOTE] My opinion as to why the lower ratings - 1) The audience. The new stage is probably supposed to get them closer by design. To me they overwhelm the singers and become too much of the act. And I HATE, HATE, HATE the fact they become such bellowing slobs when the judges talk. Paula: “You maybe weren’t completely perfect.” Crowd: “BOO” 2)Paula and Simon are phoning it in this year. When they spend more time poking each other and looking board, about to pass out, or whatever the show sufferers. Live entertainment is all about energy, and Paula and Simon no longer have any. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/139 "2008-04-23T17:48:44Z")
[QUOTE=Long Time First Time] My opinion as to why the lower ratings - 1) The audience. The new stage is probably supposed to get them closer by design. To me they overwhelm the singers and become too much of the act. And I HATE, HATE, HATE the fact they become such bellowing slobs when the judges talk. Paula: “You maybe weren’t completely perfect.” Crowd: “BOO”. [/QUOTE] Simon is usually the only one with any intelligent criticism, and it’s usually drowned out by boos. And another thing about the audience that I hate…any song slower than 90 beats/minute, and they start the arms up/swaying thing. Soooooo stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2008, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405/140 "2008-04-23T17:57:43Z")
[QUOTE=jsc1953] And another thing about the audience that I hate…any song slower than 90 beats/minute, and they start the arms up/swaying thing. Soooooo stupid. [/QUOTE] Including during a terrible rendition of _Memory_ last night. What the hell was that about? _Candle in the Wind_ is an arms in the air slow song, but showtunes? Also, A.I.'s new car smell is gone. It’s in its 7th season. They haven’t run the horse to death and then drug it behind a cart like they did with Survivor and other shows, but some aging is inevitable. (Maybe if they go over to _Celebrity Fit Club: Boot Camp_ and get Bryan Dunkleman back it’ll fix it… especially if they bring over Erin Moran, Dustin Diamond and Sgt. Harvey “Kiss my fit yellow ass” Walden IV as guest judges to insure some drama.) ETA: Unrelated to the above, Paula’s “NEVER. STOP. THE. SONG” comment last night was the first spine I’ve seen in her this season. That seemed to piss her off. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-4-22-and-4-23/446405.md?page=8)