# American Idol Final Six Show(and my ranking of the talent) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2003, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-final-six-show-and-my-ranking-of-the-talent/170194 "2003-04-22T01:04:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-final-six-show-and-my-ranking-of-the-talent/170194/1 "2003-04-22T01:04:40Z")
Only Trenyce and Clay picked the correct song to resing. I was surprised Ruben chose the song he did, but he came off quite good anyway. Carmen solidified that she’s the least talented. Here is my order on the overall talent of the group, with comments. 1. Ruben Studdard- He’s the winner, plain and simple. I hope they put together a good album for him. 2. Clay Aiken- If this guy finds the right genre, he could be quite good. 3. Kimberly Locke- She is the rising star of the group, having gotten better and better each week. I would love for her to come in second place. 4. Trenyce- Very hit and miss. She wants to be Whitney Houston, but needs work before she is that talented. 5. Josh Gracin- This guy wouldn’t even win Nashville Stars, let alone trying to win American Idol with a Country style. 6. Carmen Rasmussen- Her tight jeans are the only thing that has gotten her this far. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-final-six-show-and-my-ranking-of-the-talent/170194/2 "2003-04-22T02:08:46Z")
Was it on tonight? ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-final-six-show-and-my-ranking-of-the-talent/170194/3 "2003-04-22T03:21:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Happy Lendervedder \* > \*\*Was it on tonight? \*\* Kinda. It was a bonus episode. No judges, no competition, just the contestants singin’ their favs. Yes, it was incredibly boring. The normal show is on tomorrow as usual. ---
**Author:** ![Jurhael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@Jurhael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jurhael)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-final-six-show-and-my-ranking-of-the-talent/170194/4 "2003-04-22T04:02:56Z")
I didn’t even bother to watch this episode. heh ---
**Author:** ![AwSnappity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a3d4f5/32.png) [@AwSnappity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AwSnappity)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-final-six-show-and-my-ranking-of-the-talent/170194/5 "2003-04-22T04:10:53Z")
I woke up from a nap at 8 and turned on Fox just as they were singing the final song. My first thought was, “I missed it again??” but then I realized today is Monday so I told Fox to go to hell. Then I watched Mr. Personality. ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-final-six-show-and-my-ranking-of-the-talent/170194/6 "2003-04-22T04:25:16Z")
I’d rank them Clay Kim Trenyce Ruben (huge gap) Josh Carmen ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-final-six-show-and-my-ranking-of-the-talent/170194/7 "2003-04-22T05:10:35Z")
Mine, Clay and Ruben Trenyce Kim Josh Carmen I can’t pick between Clay and Ruben mostly because Ruben and I don’t share the same tastes in music. I can recognize that he has a pile of talent but simply because I haven’t liked any song he’s sang, I can’t put him first outright. I’ll be sorry to see Carmen go, she’s so darn cute and takes the negative remarks the judges give her with class. It’s also nice to see that she actually has acne (albeit not a lot). I’m tired of seeing teens on TV with perfectly clean complections. ---
**Author:** ![annieclaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5a626/32.png) [@annieclaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annieclaus)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-final-six-show-and-my-ranking-of-the-talent/170194/8 "2003-04-22T13:53:42Z")
My picks are: Ruben (on personality alone) Clay (he’ll have a career even if he doesn’t win) Kimberly Locke (Class!) Josh (the USMC couldn’t buy publicity like this!) Trenyce (she STILL scares me!) Carmen (poor Carmen) This extra show was harmless. I enjoyed seeing the “historical” clips of each contestant; they’ve all come a long way. Clay’s first shots were hysterical with those teensy little glasses and total gawkiness. I thought Ryan Seacrest did a good job of gluing the thing together without Randy, Paula and Simon to work off of. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-final-six-show-and-my-ranking-of-the-talent/170194/9 "2003-04-22T16:35:23Z")
Does anyone know what style they sing tonight? If you do know what style, where do you find out? I can never find it out early on the official website. ---
**Author:** ![Breezy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b3f665/32.png) [@Breezy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Breezy)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-final-six-show-and-my-ranking-of-the-talent/170194/10 "2003-04-22T16:41:10Z")
I really like Trenyce and Rueben. I Also really like Clay, but he TOTALLY reminds me of Barry Manilow for some reason or another. I WANT to like Carmen, because she seems like a really nice person. I even think her voice is above average, I just think she’s probably the least talented at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![prisoner6655321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f8ce5/32.png) [@prisoner6655321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/prisoner6655321)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-final-six-show-and-my-ranking-of-the-talent/170194/11 "2003-04-22T17:18:05Z")
[hijack]Isn’t it true that if Josh wasn’t doing American Idol he would have fought in Iraq? Sounds pretty **UN** -patriotic to me![/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-final-six-show-and-my-ranking-of-the-talent/170194/12 "2003-04-22T17:30:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mahaloth \* > \*\*Does anyone know what style they sing tonight? > > If you do know what style, where do you find out? I can never find it out early on the official website. \*\* According to [http://www.idolonline.org/](http://www.idolonline.org/) … > [@](#): > > The truth is finally revealed. Tonight’s theme is in fact Diane Warren night with Diane Warren as guest judge. This has been confirmed by TV Guide and USA Today. And they link to the tvguide site at [http://www.tvguide.com/newsgossip/inthenews/030422.asp#C](http://www.tvguide.com/newsgossip/inthenews/030422.asp#C) , which does, in fact, appear to confirm it… > [@](#): > > YOU DON’T WANT TO MISS A THING: Songwriter Diane Warren will serve as guest judge on tonight’s American Idol. The six remaining finalists will perform their choice of Warren songs, after which Ryan and Simon will accuse each other of being gay. Given the music she’s written, there _could_ be some great songs sung tonight… > [@](#): > > [http://www.ascap.com/membership/events/songhall/songhall\_dianewarren.html](http://www.ascap.com/membership/events/songhall/songhall_dianewarren.html) > > Her number one Adult Contemporary hit “If You Asked Me To” has been recorded not only by Celine Dion, but also by R&B diva Patti LaBelle. Her song “Don’t Turn Around” has been recorded by eight different artists – from Tina Turner to Aswad to Ace of Base. Her number one pop hit “I Don’t Wanna Miss a Thing” performed by Aerosmith for the movie Armageddon not only received an Oscar nomination, but simultaneously hit number one on the country charts with a version sung by Mark Chestnut. Additionally, Diane’s song, “How Do I Live,” recorded by both Trisha Yearwood and LeAnne Rimes, was not only a number one hit that won Yearwood the Grammy for Best Country Vocal Performance, but also carries the distinction of being the longest running song in the history of Billboard’s Hot 100 chart. > > Diane’s songs are featured in more than 60 motion pictures. She had a number one international hit with “Can’t Fight the Moonlight” performed by LeAnne Rimes and featured in the film Coyote Ugly. Diane continues to diversify. She recently joined forces with rock band The Cult, who recorded “Painted On My Heart” for the film Gone In Sixty Seconds. Bounce starring Gwyneth Paltrow and Ben Affleck featured “Need To Be Next To You” performed by Leigh Nash of Sixpence None the Richer. The Family Man showcased “I Don’t Know How I Got By” performed by Edwin McCain. With an uncanny ability to create the perfect song for any scene, whether it calls for a love ballad or rock anthem or up-tempo groove, it’s no wonder that Diane continues to receive accolades. To date, Diane’s songs have been nominated for three Golden Globes, five Academy Awards, and eight Grammys. Should be an interesting show. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-final-six-show-and-my-ranking-of-the-talent/170194/13 "2003-04-22T17:34:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by prisoner6655321 \* > \*\*[hijack]Isn’t it true that if Josh wasn’t doing American Idol he would have fought in Iraq? Sounds pretty **UN** -patriotic to me![/hijack] \*\* Cite? My understanding is that his regiment was not called over to Iraq and that if they were, he was going to leave the show. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-final-six-show-and-my-ranking-of-the-talent/170194/14 "2003-04-22T19:36:07Z")
My ranking; 1.) Ruben (of course) 2.) Broadway Clay. I like his voice a lot and he could make a great album with the right material. 3.) Kim L. Great chops, very professional. I think she’ll make a living with her voice no matter what happens with AI. 4.) Trenyce. She has good raw talent but she needs polish and she needs to find a personal style. She has a lot of upside but she’s not quite there yet. big gap (to steal a line from **shy guy** ) 5.) Josh. Should be fronting a country/western cover band on a Marine Corps base somewhere. He’s an adequate singer but he has no star quality and he’s not a very interesting interpreter of music. Makes me cringe when he goes into the audience. another gap Carmen. Always looks and sings like she’s competing in a local beauty pagent. Annoyingly cute, amateur singer at best. With any luck she’ll end up doing porno movies. ---
**Author:** ![Gundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Gundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gundy)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2003, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-idol-final-six-show-and-my-ranking-of-the-talent/170194/15 "2003-04-22T20:22:24Z")
GAH! Diane Warren! As if there weren’t enough ballads on American Idol. Think anyone will sing the theme from “Enterprise”?