# American Military Scum Killer Deserves to Die **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 23, 2007, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344 "2007-02-23T06:24:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![William\_Strunk\_Jr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/839c29/32.png) [@William\_Strunk\_Jr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/William_Strunk_Jr)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/1 "2007-02-23T06:24:06Z")
Not be eligible for parole in 10 years. The military looks out for its own again. These people are scum. How about some justice. > [@](#): > > A U.S. soldier was sentenced to 100 years in prison Thursday for the gang rape and murder of an Iraqi girl and the killing of her family last year. > > Sgt. Paul E. Cortez, 24, also was given a dishonorable discharge. He will be eligible for parole in 10 years under the terms of his plea agreement. This scum should have been tried in Iraq by Iraqis. Then justice would have been done. He would have been hanged by now. > [@](#): > > Five soldiers who served with Cortez in Iraq testified that his actions were out of character and described the hardships of war they experienced, including sleep deprivation and the lack of running water. Scum making excusses for scum. > [@](#): > > The military judge hearing the case, Col. Stephen R. Henley, issued a sentence of life in prison without parole, the maximum for the charges. Under military law, the defendant is given the lesser sentence unless he violates terms of the plea agreement, which requires Cortez to testify against others charged in the case. It is all conspiracy. No way this guy deserved a plea. He should be have hanged from a rope. Fuck the US military and are all scum. > [@](#): > > Cortez was found not guilty of more serious charges of premeditated murder and conspiracy to premeditated murder. Of course. [http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/22/ussoldier.rape.ap/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/22/ussoldier.rape.ap/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/2 "2007-02-23T06:31:44Z")
Disapproval of religion? Hatred of the U.S. Military? **Der Trihs** , you’ve gained a friend! ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/3 "2007-02-23T06:37:55Z")
[QUOTE=William Strunk Jr.] He should be have hanged from a rope. Fuck the US military and are all scum. [/QUOTE] All of them, eh? I’ll let my friends know that they ought to just hang their scummy selves then. C’mon dude, your OP might have a point, but don’t make such a silly, grand generalization. ---
**Author:** ![William\_Strunk\_Jr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/839c29/32.png) [@William\_Strunk\_Jr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/William_Strunk_Jr)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/4 "2007-02-23T06:40:17Z")
[QUOTE=DiosaBellissima] All of them, eh? I’ll let my friends know that they ought to just hang their scummy selves then. C’mon dude, your OP might have a point, but make such a silly, grand generalization. [/QUOTE] Did your friends do anything to protest this or the illegal war this action was a part of? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/5 "2007-02-23T06:42:12Z")
The “stress” excuse is certainly distasteful and unconvincing. There are thousands of other guys under the exact same amount of stress and fatigue who manage to not to rape and murder little girls with their families. I also don’t think ten years is long enough, but “eligible for parole,” doesn’t mean he WILL be paroled. I expect that he would not. The only defense for this kind of sentence would be that he’s testifying against the others and that he wasn’t the shooter. Still the fact that any of them could could go along with these crimes and help to destroy evidence is appalling. One of the victims, the rape victim’s sister, was a five-year old girl. That crime all by itself, the casual, cold-blooded murder of a five-year old girl, is an atrocity beyond comprehension. No amount of stress can justify these crimes. If five gang menmbers invaded a middle class American home and committed these crimes against an American family, no one would even TRY to explain it or justify it and anything less than life without parole all around would be met with outrage. None of these guys ever deserve to see the sun again. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/6 "2007-02-23T06:42:27Z")
I don’t even know how many of them know about this (I sure as hell didn’t until I followed your link). And no, I can’t think of any of my friend’s that have taken a conscientious objector stance or anything. I’m not seeing how that makes any of them scum that requires hanging. ---
**Author:** ![William\_Strunk\_Jr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/839c29/32.png) [@William\_Strunk\_Jr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/William_Strunk_Jr)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/7 "2007-02-23T06:51:50Z")
[QUOTE=DiosaBellissima] I don’t even know how many of them know about this (I sure as hell didn’t until I followed your link). And no, I can’t think of any of my friend’s that have taken a conscientious objector stance or anything. I’m not seeing how that makes any of them scum that requires hanging. [/QUOTE] Never said your friends deserve hanging. ---
**Author:** ![Hung\_Mung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hung\_Mung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hung_Mung)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/8 "2007-02-23T06:57:45Z")
[QUOTE=William Strunk Jr.] Never said your friends deserve hanging. [/QUOTE] That’s true. He merely said they were scum. Have a nice day, then. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/9 "2007-02-23T06:59:34Z")
[QUOTE=William Strunk Jr.] Fuck the US military and are all scum. [/QUOTE] No, fuck you, you trolling sock puppet fuckwit. You’ve got less class than an average crack whore and the intellect of a steaming pile of cow shit. Fuck off and go away. ---
**Author:** ![William\_Strunk\_Jr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/839c29/32.png) [@William\_Strunk\_Jr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/William_Strunk_Jr)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/10 "2007-02-23T07:07:28Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] No, fuck you, you trolling sock puppet fuckwit. You’ve got less class than an average crack whore and the intellect of a steaming pile of cow shit. Fuck off and go away. [/QUOTE] Go on and defend them. Support the troops. Nevermind that if these same troops would just stand up for the justice this would never happen. If they would all stand up and say we won’t stand for this in our organization this would never happen. But they don’t. Just like My Lai. And this will happen again. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/11 "2007-02-23T07:07:36Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] No, fuck you, you trolling sock puppet fuckwit. You’ve got less class than an average crack whore and the intellect of a steaming pile of cow shit. Fuck off and go away. [/QUOTE] You said that way better (and creatively) than I ever could. \* bows in reverence \* ---
**Author:** ![William\_Strunk\_Jr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/839c29/32.png) [@William\_Strunk\_Jr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/William_Strunk_Jr)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/12 "2007-02-23T07:14:36Z")
[QUOTE=DiosaBellissima] You said that way better (and creatively) than I ever could. \* bows in reverence \* [/QUOTE] Yeah, it a great man with a strong position whose entire argument is name calling. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/13 "2007-02-23T07:19:31Z")
[QUOTE=William Strunk Jr.] Yeah, it a great man with a strong position whose entire argument is name calling. [/QUOTE] _cough_ [QUOTE=William Strunk Jr.] Not be eligible for parole in 10 years. The military looks out for its own again. These people are scum. How about some justice. This scum should have been tried in Iraq by Iraqis. Then justice would have been done. He would have been hanged by now. Scum making excusses for scum. It is all conspiracy. No way this guy deserved a plea. He should be have hanged from a rope. Fuck the US military and are all scum. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/14 "2007-02-23T07:31:09Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] Disapproval of religion? Hatred of the U.S. Military? **Der Trihs** , you’ve gained a friend! [/QUOTE] Somehow I don’t think this friend is going to be around very long. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/15 "2007-02-23T07:32:53Z")
[QUOTE=DiosaBellissima] You said that way better (and creatively) than I ever could. \* bows in reverence \* [/QUOTE] Thank you, Ma’am. _Tips Hat_ ---
**Author:** ![Hung\_Mung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hung\_Mung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hung_Mung)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/16 "2007-02-23T07:52:21Z")
[QUOTE=William Strunk Jr.] Go on and defend them. Support the troops. Nevermind that if these same troops would just stand up for the justice this would never happen. If they would all stand up and say we won’t stand for this in our organization this would never happen. But they don’t. Just like My Lai. And this will happen again. [/QUOTE] Hey, look at you. You’re standing up for justice. You’re posting electronic messages on the internet. Someone get this guy a fuckin’ medal. ---
**Author:** ![pretend\_my\_name\_is\_witty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@pretend\_my\_name\_is\_witty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pretend_my_name_is_witty)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/17 "2007-02-23T07:59:28Z")
[QUOTE=William Strunk Jr.] It is all conspiracy. No way this guy deserved a plea. He should be have hanged from a rope. Fuck the US military and are all scum. [/QUOTE] I’d heard that the troops were the ones that decided to go to war, and wasn’t a decision from the government…_sigh_ Your viewpoints of the war itself shouldn’t even come into your opinion of the military. The same men and women would and do fight for your right to disagree with them. They’re all doing a job that few would be willing to do. Maybe think about hating the man in charge. That aside, now, I’ll agree that the individuals in the story are scum and I can’t think of much I’d say was too harsh for them. But to extend this to “fuck the US military and are all scum” is an incoherant sweeping generalisation. And I hate _all_ sweeping generalisations. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/18 "2007-02-23T11:16:20Z")
Isn’t the plea bargain contingent upon his testifying against others involved in that particular crime? {Added on Edit} From the OP’s own link: > [@](#): > > The military judge hearing the case, Col. Stephen R. Henley, issued a sentence of life in prison without parole, the maximum for the charges. Under military law, the defendant is given the lesser sentence unless he violates terms of the plea agreement, which requires Cortez to testify against others charged in the case. By the way, “Eligible for parole” does not equal “Getting out of prison automatically on the date eligible for parole.” ---
**Author:** ![mamboman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecb155/32.png) [@mamboman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mamboman)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/19 "2007-02-23T11:28:01Z")
[QUOTE=William Strunk Jr.] If they would all stand up and say we won’t stand for this in our organization this would never happen. But they don’t. Just like My Lai. And this will happen again. [/QUOTE] My Lai? That’s a big word for a 14 year old. Where’d a tyke like you learn that? mm ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-military-scum-killer-deserves-to-die/393344/20 "2007-02-23T13:09:40Z")
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