# American missiles fired at Syria **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 7, 2017, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944 "2017-04-07T02:03:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/181 "2017-04-07T16:53:19Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So the first report indicates that some of the missiles might have missed the base and hit the town, and the second seems to indicate that much more people were killed than was initially reported unless the base was almost entirely deserted beforehand. The Syrian and Russian reports indicated this. But then, the Russian, Syrian and Iranian official position was that it was terrorists who caused the gas attack, either trying to frame the Syrian government in some sort of convoluted false flag thingy or that the agents for the sarin were kept in a warehouse and magically mixed themselves together when the good workers and peasants in the Syrian airforce accidentally hit the warehouse they were stored in. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/182 "2017-04-07T16:56:12Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So the first report indicates that some of the missiles might have missed the base and hit the town, and the second seems to indicate that much more people were killed than was initially reported unless the base was almost entirely deserted beforehand. That first “report” was from Russia. It’s likely full of shit (I only included it to give you the full spectrum of responses), but even if you want to take it at face value, it doesn’t say anything about hitting a town. It says “the points of impact of the other 36 cruise missiles remain unknown.” ETA: and the second report says “At least seven Syrian soldiers were killed and nine wounded in the airstrike, the country’s military said. The governor of Homs province said he did not believe the strikes caused a large number of “human casualties.”” Where are you getting “much more people were killed”? ETA2: If you can’t read the links, I can’t do much to help you. ---
**Author:** ![Navy\_draftee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ec9cab/32.png) [@Navy\_draftee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Navy_draftee)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/183 "2017-04-07T16:58:36Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > I’d cc the White House on that as well. We don’t do that to our leaders here in the US. If we did, Barack HUSSEIN Obama never would have survived.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/184 "2017-04-07T16:59:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > How much advanced notice was given, btw? The notice may have been requited by the “deconfliction agreement” that was signed between Russia and US on operations in Syria (see [https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/21/world/middleeast/us-and-russia-agree-to-regulate-all-flights-over-syria.html?\_r=0](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/21/world/middleeast/us-and-russia-agree-to-regulate-all-flights-over-syria.html?_r=0)) Russia today suspended that agreement, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/185 "2017-04-07T16:59:26Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > That first “report” was from Russia. It’s likely full of shit (I only included it to give you the full spectrum of responses), but even if you want to take it at face value, it doesn’t say anything about hitting a town. It says “the points of impact of the other 36 cruise missiles remain unknown.” Then have you got any cites at all that you don’t consider to be full of shit, truthwise? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/186 "2017-04-07T17:02:33Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > The notice may have been requited by the “deconfliction agreement” that was signed between Russia and US on operations in Syria (see [https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/21/world/middleeast/us-and-russia-agree-to-regulate-all-flights-over-syria.html?\_r=0](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/21/world/middleeast/us-and-russia-agree-to-regulate-all-flights-over-syria.html?_r=0)) > > Russia today suspended that agreement, by the way. So it was an agreement up until the time they got what they needed, then _poof_, it’s gone? Could this be evidence that they have read Trump’s “Art Of The Deal”? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/187 "2017-04-07T17:03:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Then have you got any cites at all that you don’t consider to be full of shit, truthwise? Yes, I already [cited the Pentagon](https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Releases/News-Release-View/Article/1144598/statement-from-pentagon-spokesman-capt-jeff-davis-on-us-strike-in-syria), which I generally consider credible. This just happened last night, so they and others are still assessing the damage. Think of this time period like the first few minutes / hours after news of a school shooting or terrorist attack breaks. There’s going to be conflicting information and confusion. Over the next few days and weeks, we’ll probably get a much better picture of the actual damage caused by the strike. ETA: but the basic outline appears to be that there were single-digit casualties and some aircraft, buildings, and equipment were destroyed. Pretty much all the sources seem to agree on that rough outline. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/188 "2017-04-07T17:04:13Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > We have [prior thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=823217)about that. > > Yes, MHO is that any rational despot would have seen Trump and Tillerson’s prior statements as a green light to do whatever the fuck he wanted without fear of any reaction/response. If you want to debate that then there is that thread but I think it is past the point. It’s past. I read that thread. It has no evidence at all, and in fact little debate about "signals’ from Tillerson. Now its a debate about the War Powers act. So dont use that thread as a cite, because it’s worthless. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/189 "2017-04-07T17:09:04Z")
> [@Navy\_draftee](#): > > We don’t do that to our leaders here in the US. > If we did, Barack HUSSEIN Obama never would have survived.🙂 Why do you keep posting his middle name in all caps? Was there another Barack Obama that served as president that you think we might confuse him with? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/190 "2017-04-07T17:11:51Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So the first report indicates that some of the missiles might have missed the base and hit the town… You can, of course, quote the part where it says the missiles might have hit the town. Right? Jesus Fucking Christ, **czarcasm** , can you give it more than a few hours and until we get some independent reporting before we go jumping to conclusions about how many people were killed? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/191 "2017-04-07T17:15:50Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You can, of course, quote the part where it says the missiles might have hit the town. Right? > > Jesus Fucking Christ, **czarcasm** , can you give it more than a few hours and until we get some independent reporting before we go jumping to conclusions about how many people were killed? Want to join my frustrated-with- **Czarcasm** club, because you sound like you’ll fit right in. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/192 "2017-04-07T17:15:56Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You can, of course, quote the part where it says the missiles might have hit the town. Right? > > Jesus Fucking Christ, **czarcasm** , can you give it more than a few hours and until we get some independent reporting before we go jumping to conclusions about how many people were killed? I can quote the part where they claim some of the missiles missed the base entirely which, in my mind leaves open the possibility that they hit untargeted areas. By the way, [here is an updated report from CNN concerning the base and the attack on it.](http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/07/middleeast/shayrat-air-base-explainer/) ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/193 "2017-04-07T17:16:48Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Why do you keep posting his middle name in all caps? Was there another Barack Obama that served as president that you think we might confuse him with? Personally, I think we need more investigating of John QUINCY Adams. You can never trust anyone with a Q in his name. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/194 "2017-04-07T17:17:10Z")
> [@Navy\_draftee](#): > > ??? > > Why should President Trump give a rat’s arse about “poll numbers”? He lives for being praised. When his numbers are low, he whines. He will kill people for the praise it earns him from the MSM liberal fake news. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/195 "2017-04-07T17:19:02Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So it was an agreement up until the time they got what they needed, then _poof_, it’s gone? That’s inherent in agreements - one party can dissolve it at any time. Thing is, _while_ the agreement is valid, it has to be adhered to. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/196 "2017-04-07T17:19:27Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Personally, I think we need more investigating of John QUINCY Adams. You can never trust anyone with a Q in his name. I think our efforts would be better spent investigating Donald JOHN Trump. I mean, ‘JOHN’? Seriously? Obviously a pseudonym. WHAT IS HE HIDING? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Weisshund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba8739/32.png) [@Weisshund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weisshund)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/197 "2017-04-07T17:21:56Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > My guess is that the planning went something like this: My guess would be that it went nothing like that at all, and sounds more like an 80’s music video ---
**Author:** ![Navy\_draftee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ec9cab/32.png) [@Navy\_draftee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Navy_draftee)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/198 "2017-04-07T17:25:38Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Why do you keep posting his middle name in all caps? Was there another Barack Obama that served as president that you think we might confuse him with? No, I believe if Barack HUSSEIN Obama’s mommy felt it was sooooo important for her little boy to have a MUSLIM name, the least I can do is put it in CAPS. ---
**Author:** ![Navy\_draftee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ec9cab/32.png) [@Navy\_draftee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Navy_draftee)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/199 "2017-04-07T17:28:06Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Want to join my frustrated-with- **Czarcasm** club, because you sound like you’ll fit right in. I’ll bet that club would draw a lot of members. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944/200 "2017-04-07T17:28:27Z")
> [@Navy\_draftee](#): > > No, I believe if Barack HUSSEIN Obama’s mommy felt it was sooooo important for her little boy to have a MUSLIM name, the least I can do is put it in CAPS. I don’t believe you. I believe that you believe that Obama is Muslim (he isn’t), and that he was born in Kenya (he wasn’t). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/american-missiles-fired-at-syria/783944.md?page=11)