# Americans concerned about Israel! Send a donation for Avram Mitzna's election

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**Created:** [November 29, 2002, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-concerned-about-israel-send-a-donation-for-avram-mitznas-election/139560 "2002-11-29T23:05:06Z")\
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**Author:** ![rampisad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/858c86/32.png) [@rampisad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rampisad)\
**Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-concerned-about-israel-send-a-donation-for-avram-mitznas-election/139560/21 "2002-12-03T07:03:56Z")

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I’m interested in how you get your “facts” about “cynical” Israelis who vote for Sharon. Have you spoken to one. Do you want my phone number?

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**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\
**Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-concerned-about-israel-send-a-donation-for-avram-mitznas-election/139560/22 "2002-12-03T14:48:14Z")

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> \*Originally posted by december \*  
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> Of course, if the Palestinians ever stopped attacking and murdering Israelis, there would be less need for checkpoints.
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> Blaming Israel for the current conditions is an example of what we Jews call “chutzpah.” That is, the Palestinians started an intifada, meaning mass murder and terrorism against Israelis. Israel has reacted with checkpoints. Now UNICEF blames Israel because the checkpoints interfere with Palestinian children. I think the blame should go to the instigators, not those who are dealing with mass murder as best they can.

\*\*december, \*\* the chutzpah is yours, in stating “we Jews.” (I’m a Jew, and I for one completely disagree with you.) Then again, your statement that “the Palestinians” have committed mass murder and terrorism against Israelis is equally silly, as a) only a small fraction of Palestinians has commited acts of violence, and b) some Israelis have committed acts of violence.

IMO there is fault on both sides of the Israeli/Palestinian equation. Any argument over who started what is just going to devolve into one of the chicken-and-egg type.

Can we get past it and try to make peace? Blaming one side over the other at this point is just silly and counterproductive.

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