# Americans Condone Rape of Iraqi Children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 17, 2004, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630 "2004-07-17T22:34:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Chastain86](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Chastain86](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chastain86)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/101 "2004-07-21T15:31:44Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Do you **want** to watch a video of a child being raped??? > > Because I sure don’t. I’ll take people’s word for it. First of all, **no** , I don’t want to watch video of a child being raped, assbag. And I’ll thank you not to take that tone with me. Internet anonymity isn’t a license to act like a douchebag, so keep it civil. But let me get this straight – you’re willing to believe the word of a select few, simply because you couldn’t bear the burden of proof? In that case, we should bomb your parent’s home, because I’ve got video of your mother being raped by your father. Of course, since it’s so damaging to anyone to watch, it will be sealed in a vault where its presence can never be verified. :rolleyes: I require proof beyond that of a handful of people I don’t know in order to believe something. Why are you here at the Straight Dope if not to fight ignorance? Christ. :rolleyes: In fact, that deserves another :rolleyes:. What’s so wrong with not wanting to believe something that isn’t verified by reputable sources? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/102 "2004-07-21T15:43:25Z")
It HAS been verified by multiple, reputable witnesses, dipshit. pay fucking attention. ---
**Author:** ![Chastain86](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Chastain86](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chastain86)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/103 "2004-07-21T16:19:34Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > It HAS been verified by multiple, reputable witnesses, dipshit. pay fucking attention. I’m talking reputable news agencies. And can the shitty tone. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/104 "2004-07-21T16:29:16Z")
Look, **Chas** , none of us _want_ to believe this. I thought I made that clear from the git-go. But when people like Rummy refer to “worse stuff” what do _you_ think they’re talking about? We’ve already got those god-awful pictures of _adults_ being abused in disgusting and shameful ways. Where do you go for “worse?” And whether you or I believe it or not, its a damn good bet that Achmed Six-pack believes it, and that’s where the _real_ trouble is. ---
**Author:** ![Chastain86](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Chastain86](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chastain86)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/105 "2004-07-21T16:49:09Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And whether you or I believe it or not, its a damn good bet that Achmed Six-pack believes it, and that’s where the _real_ trouble is. I couldn’t agree more. That really **is** where the problem lies, and I don’t know if there’s a good way to remedy that situation at this point. It seems to me that an awful lot of people in here are in **very loud agreement.** ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/106 "2004-07-21T16:56:39Z")
Haven’t seen this story bubbling up into the mainstream media yet. Estimated time of bombshelling, anybody? ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/107 "2004-07-21T16:57:08Z")
Chastain86, you took my post much worse than I meant it. I didn’t _really_ think you wanted to see a child raped, but my “c’mon, I know you’re kidding here” tone didn’t come through and I apologise. > [@Chastain86](#): > > What’s so wrong with not wanting to believe something that isn’t verified by reputable sources? A Republican senator isn’t reputable to you? > [@](#): > > SEN. LINDSAY GRAHAM ®, SOUTH CAROLINA: We‘re talking about rape and murder here, we‘re not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience, we‘re talking about rape and murder and some very serious charges. Cite in my post #37 Well, never mind. I don’t trust Republican senators either. Doesn’t matter. It’s all coming out yet. There’s a lot more to come out, assuming the American media quit being cowering pussys and deign to tell us. Just out of curiousity, who would you trust as a reputable source that would make you come back in this thread and join our complaining? ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/108 "2004-07-21T17:11:25Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Well, never mind. I don’t trust Republican senators either. That was knee-jerk. I take that back. I’d probably trust John McCain. I would’ve trusted Jim Jeffords, I think. There might be a couple of others that haven’t gone to the totally dark side. AHunter3, I wish I could answer your question, but I have a pessimistic side that thinks this will be buried until after the election. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/109 "2004-07-21T17:17:10Z")
> [@Chastain86](#): > > I’m talking reputable news agencies. Reputable news agencies? What will qualify for you? You think NBC made up the rape of young boys _Weekly World News_-style, and attibuted the claim to imaginary U.S. miltary officials in the interest of a sensationalist ratings boost? You think Pulitzer prize winning journalist Sy Hersh is disreputable, and suspect that he’s pulling stuff out of his ass? Do you have any examples of things that he’s made up in his forty-year career? You think the senators and congressmen who have seen the unreleased material are _all_ so anxious for the U.S. to look _really, really bad_ that not one of them has contradicted Hersh’s account of the tape? Do you think that the existence of a videotape of young men actually being raped is terribly unlikely, given that the U.S. military’s own investigations into _Abu Ghraib_ have documented that prisoners were threatened with rape and sexually assaulted, and multiple independent witnesses have testified that they saw teenaged boys being raped with cameras present? The evidence for the video’s existence, from reliable sources, is pretty solid, and the absence of any denial is telling. What constitutes a reputable source for you? (previews) [quote=elucidator] ]Look, Chas, none of us want to believe this.[/qutoe] Amen. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/110 "2004-07-21T17:17:22Z")
**CNN** : This just in from God Almighty: “I am _really_ pissed at you guys!” **Fox** : “Some people are saying that this is, in fact, a message from the AntiChrist. Rush, has God said anything to you about this?” “Not a word, Sean, even though I was buzzed to the eyeballs and ripped to the tits…” “Well, Rush, some people are saying that this is all a plot of the Homintern to force Eagle Scouts into gay marriages…” “I dont’ want to make any wild accusations, Sean, without any proof. But this is clearly evil and retarded, so you can draw your own conclusions…” ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/111 "2004-07-21T19:14:53Z")
Listen, BBC News [England] was about the first to publicize the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. Not that I want to - and I hope, together with you, that it isn’t true, but : I haven’t heard _anything_ about raped \*“children”? [\*Sadly, ‘children’ in a different form than kids in war-free countries , imho. Not kids who listen to the latest rap, buying new Nikes at the mall and worry how their math test went. But ‘children’ who are raised in a war and are capable of blowing up tanks, the enemy and themselves] And I’m curious to know_why_ this thread was opened and so greedily posted in? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/112 "2004-07-21T19:41:00Z")
> [@gum](#): > > [\*Sadly, ‘children’ in a different form than kids in war-free countries , imho. Not kids who listen to the latest rap, buying new Nikes at the mall and worry how their math test went. > But ‘children’ who are raised in a war and are capable of blowing up tanks, the enemy and themselves] Ah…I see. If a kid is theoretically old enough to commit violence then that makes it ok to fuck him up the ass. Thanks for clearing that up. Silly me, I thought it was still an attrocity. ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/113 "2004-07-21T19:44:51Z")
tsk, tsk, **Diogenes the Cynic** , Where did I say _that_? What makes you think I condone raping children, you sanctimonious shit? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/114 "2004-07-21T19:56:36Z")
What was the point of inserting a bunch of gratuitous insinuations about the children of Iraq in the middle of a thread about children being raped? What is the relevance to the topic? ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/115 "2004-07-21T20:14:34Z")
Originally posted by **Diogenes the Cynic** > [@](#): > > - What was the point of inserting a bunch of gratuitous insinuations about the children of Iraq in the middle of a thread about children being raped? What is the relevance to the topic? \* What gratuitous insinuations? You want proof that kids grow up differently in war countries than those lucky ones living in peace? Put on your fucking telly and watch how 10/12 year olds throw molotov cocktails at tanks. See that litlle line on top of the page? That’s the topic line. It says: ‘Americans rape Iraqi children’. We _are_ talking about ‘children’ in the Abu Ghraib, are we not? I find your accusations that I’m less sick than you about child rape pretty sick. It’s beneath a human being to say that. Why don’t you go fuck yourself for a while. Maybe your spilled sperm might do so good to this world. ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/116 "2004-07-21T20:16:17Z")
ought to read: Why don’t you go fuck yourself for a while. Maybe your spilled sperm might do some good to this world. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/117 "2004-07-21T20:31:15Z")
> [@](#): > > What gratuitous insinuations? You want proof that kids grow up differently in war countries than those lucky ones living in peace? I don’t CARE that they grow up differently. I want to know what relevance it has to this topic. What fucking bit of difference does it make as to whether kids were raped at AG or whether that constitutes an attrocity You made a statement about their ability to “blow up tanks, the enemy and themselves.” I’m saying so the fuck what? What does that have to do with the topic? ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/118 "2004-07-21T20:38:10Z")
[quote=gum] [\*Sadly, ‘children’ in a different form than kids in war-free countries , imho. Not kids who listen to the latest rap, buying new Nikes at the mall and worry how their math test went. But ‘children’ who are raised in a war and are capable of blowing up tanks, the enemy and themselves]] Say what? I want to give you more benefit of the doubt than **Diogenes** did, but this surely sounds like you’re saying that twelve-year-olds in Iraq are not as innocent and worthy of protection as twelve-year-olds next door. Wanna try again? ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/119 "2004-07-21T20:39:24Z")
Let me try it again > [@gum](#): > > [\*Sadly, ‘children’ in a different form than kids in war-free countries , imho. Not kids who listen to the latest rap, buying new Nikes at the mall and worry how their math test went. > But ‘children’ who are raised in a war and are capable of blowing up tanks, the enemy and themselves] Say what? I want to give you more benefit of the doubt than **Diogenes** did, but this surely sounds like you’re saying that twelve-year-olds in Iraq are not as innocent and worthy of protection as twelve-year-olds next door. Wanna try again? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630/120 "2004-07-21T20:43:53Z")
> [@gum](#): > > See that litlle line on top of the page? That’s the topic line. It says: ‘Americans rape Iraqi children’. > We _are_ talking about ‘children’ in the Abu Ghraib, are we not? That [doesn’t mean they’re guilty of anything](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4944094/), though. > [@](#): > > Intelligence officers of the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq estimated that 70 percent to 90 percent of Iraqi detainees were arrested by mistake. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-condone-rape-of-iraqi-children/255630.md?page=7)