# Americans for Shared Prosperity understands women voters **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 22, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270 "2014-09-22T20:37:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/221 "2014-09-30T16:18:56Z")
If that was so self evident, Obama wouldn’t have had to basically call him a douche. The Obama campaign wasn’t just negative, it was very personal. And the “he didn’t pay any taxes” charge, an obvious lie that they never answered for even though it was plain at the time that it was a lie, and even though it was proven to be a lie. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/222 "2014-09-30T16:20:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If that was so self evident, Obama wouldn’t have had to basically call him a douche. He didn’t. > [@](#): > > The Obama campaign wasn’t just negative, it was very personal. No, it was just negative. > [@](#): > > And the “he didn’t pay any taxes” charge, an obvious lie that they never answered for even though it was plain at the time that it was a lie, and even though it was proven to be a lie. Who besides Harry Reid made this claim? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/223 "2014-09-30T16:24:16Z")
The Obama campaign jumped on the bandwagon by making a big issue of his tax returns. It’s like the Swift Boat thing, others make the dumb charges, but you agree with just enough to get the benefit of the charges without having to take responsibility for them. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/224 "2014-09-30T16:28:13Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The Obama campaign jumped on the bandwagon by making a big issue of his tax returns. Cite. Again, you must cite all your claims because your track record is so bad. Further, asking about tax returns (if you have a cite that shows the Obama campaign did this) is not the same as claiming someone paid no taxes. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/225 "2014-09-30T16:32:31Z")
Making a big issue of it is when the accusation is out there. > **[Obama Campaign Issues Challenge To Romney On Tax Returns](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-mitt-romney-tax-returns_n_1795738)** > > Obama Campaign Issues Challenge To Romney On Tax Returns [http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/09/obama-campaign-needles-romney-on-tax-returns-136384.html](http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/09/obama-campaign-needles-romney-on-tax-returns-136384.html) > **[Obama Campaign Questions Romney's Truthfulness To Feds, But Tax Returns Are...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mitt-romney-tax-returns-bain-obama-campaign_n_1668929)** > > Obama Campaign Questions Romney's Truthfulness To Feds, But Tax Returns Are True Target > **[Obama Campaign Renews Call for Romney Release of Tax Returns](https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/obama-campaign-renews-call-for-romney-release-of-tax-returns/)** > > Get breaking national and world news, broadcast video coverage, and exclusive interviews. Find the top news online at ABC news. This is a case where you demonstrate an extremely short memory. Must be an internet generation thing: knowledge doesn’t exist in memory, only online. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/226 "2014-09-30T16:47:41Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Making a big issue of it is when the accusation is out there. No, but thank you for citing a claim, finally. > [@](#): > > This is a case where you demonstrate an extremely short memory. Must be an internet generation thing: knowledge doesn’t exist in memory, only online. No, because I was well aware that Obama repeatedly poked Romney about his tax return. But Obama’s campaign did not say Romney paid no taxes. I asked you for cites because that’s how it is, now – when **adaher** makes a factual claim, _it must be cited_, or it can be dismissed. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/227 "2014-09-30T17:31:17Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > This is a case where you demonstrate an extremely short memory. Must be an internet generation thing: knowledge doesn’t exist in memory, only online. Wait – you started this whole thing when you said – or at very least implied – that Obama was accusing Romney of “the “he didn’t pay any taxes” charge”. Those were your words, in case you didn’t remember. Then you cite Obama’s campaign pushing Romney for fuller disclosure, which isn’t the same as saying that Romney didn’t pay any taxes. If your memory was better, you’d recall that it was Harry Reid that was spreading a rumor that Romney paid no taxes. [Cite.](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/06/harry-reid/harry-reid-says-anonymous-source-told-him-mitt-rom/) The lessons here are: 1. Your recollection of events continues to be notoriously unreliable, 2. It is very common to ask for cites on this message board, 3. Accusing others of having a short memory when your own version of events had errors, and then you produce cites demonstrating a different claim than what you originally made, is absolutely a “people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones” moment. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/228 "2014-10-01T00:33:06Z")
**adaher** , now that you’ve latched onto some nonsense about whether or not Obama accused Romney of paying taxes, are you no longer following up on: > [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > You keep saying that, but do you ever plan on providing any support, data, documentation, or cites - anything at all - to back it up? That there was actually a strategy to reduce voter turnout? That the Obama campaign actually thought, “Hey, if 131MM people vote this time, we’re screwed. We gotta stop that!” and > [@](#): > > Did you mean to say Congress there, or do you actually believe that without Todd Akin Romney would have won? Because that’s just crazy talk. There’s not a single state that Romney would have added to his total had Akin kept his mouth shut, much less enough to have crossed the 270 electoral vote threshold. Because this is very much starting to feeling some odd variant of a Gish Gallop: stick to one subject long enough to get completely proven wrong, but then quickly move on to something else before actually having to acknowledge your error. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/229 "2014-10-01T01:13:26Z")
No, Obama wasn’t the one who started the bandwagon asking for Mitt Romney’s tax returns. You know who did start that bandwagon? George Romney. And you’re correct that, strictly speaking, it isn’t true that Romney paid no taxes. But when the actual amount of taxes he paid was less than one percent, saying that he paid none is a decent-enough approximation. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/230 "2014-10-01T02:22:31Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Your second is that even if they are, it’s a lot more intelligent than the “war on women” campaign. Not even you believe that. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/231 "2014-10-01T03:41:48Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > No, Obama wasn’t the one who started the bandwagon asking for Mitt Romney’s tax returns. You know who did start that bandwagon? George Romney. > > And you’re correct that, strictly speaking, it isn’t true that Romney paid no taxes. But when the actual amount of taxes he paid was less than one percent, saying that he paid none is a decent-enough approximation. Not sure where you get that from. Perhaps you’re referring to his wealth, which isn’t taxable anyway? > **[9 Things to Know About Mitt Romney’s Tax Returns](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mitt-romney-tax-returns/)** > > We parsed Romney's 2011 taxes so you don't have to. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/232 "2014-10-01T05:06:34Z")
IIRC, the most reputable sources, which Romney never contested, put his taxes at 0.3% of his income. All legal, of course, since for some reason we’ve decided that unearned income shouldn’t be taxed. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/233 "2014-10-01T14:44:11Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > IIRC, the most reputable sources, which Romney never contested, put his taxes at 0.3% of his income. All legal, of course, since for some reason we’ve decided that unearned income shouldn’t be taxed. > [@](#): > > Mitt Romney paid an effective tax rate of 14.1 percent in 2011, according to a tax return filed on Friday, a relatively low tax rate resulting from exotic deductions, the special tax treatment for his Bain Capital retirement package and the low tax rate on capital gains. Romney also opted not to deduct millions in charitable contributions from his tax bill in order to maintain a pledge from August that he has paid at least 13 percent in federal income taxes for each of the past 10 years. [Cite.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/21/mitt-romney-tax-returns-released_n_1904242.html) [ul][li]You don’t recall correctly[/li][li]Your sources are apparently not reputable[/li][li]Romney did contest the claim (and showed it to be false)[/li][li]His tax rate was at least 13%, not 0.3% [/li][li]Unearned income is taxed[/li][li]Romney 's tax rate was what it was because he voluntarily claimed fewer deductions than he was entitled to.[/ul]So at least one clause of your post was correct - Romney scrupulously obeyed the law. Every other word of it - not so much.[/li] Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/234 "2014-10-01T15:22:23Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > **adaher** , … are you no longer following up on: I’ll take that as a no, you are no longer attempting to defend the comment you made about the Obama campaign intentionally suppressing votes. An actual acknowledgement of your error would help your credibility, but I’m not surprised at the approach you’re actually taking. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2014, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/235 "2014-10-02T16:21:09Z")
Here’s another ad from a group of men that will really appeal to women!! ![Link.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLPv7p-6er0&index=1&list=UUad49RNZ9_XFnOBwzd1HJqw) Seriously, are GOP operatives hiring Borat to write their ads meant to appeal to women? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2014, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/236 "2014-10-02T16:50:55Z")
[quote=“Shodan, post:233, topic:699270”] [li]Romney 's tax rate was what it was because he voluntarily claimed fewer deductions than he was entitled to.[/list][/li][/QUOTE] You can bet your sweet ass that the day after the election, Romney filed a 1040X to amend his return and claim the deductions that he passed on in order to not look like the freeloader that he is. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2014, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/237 "2014-10-02T17:15:20Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Seriously, are GOP operatives hiring Borat to write their ads meant to appeal to women? I think you’re on to something. Aside from the “Say Yes To a Republican” thing, they’re also running a “Republicans are people, too” ad campaign, to show their diversity. Thing is - all the images in the ads are just stock photos. They couldn’t even find six diverse people who would agree to be in their campaign so they just used the photos that came with the picture frames. > **[The Republicans In ‘Republicans Are People Too’ Ad Are All Stock Photos](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/republicans-are-people-too-stock-photo)** > > Conservatives wanted to remind people that “Republicans Are People Too” with an ad campaign insisting that Republicans recycle and have tattoos. But as The Daily Banter pointed out, the woman the ad… ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2014, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/238 "2014-10-03T00:50:16Z")
And now the College Republican National Committee tries to one up AFSP with _Say Yes To Rick Scott_. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ZOppsQJtL2M/maxresdefault.jpg "Say Yes To Rick Scott") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOppsQJtL2M) ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2014, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/239 "2014-10-03T01:16:43Z")
Holy crap. There may be 50 of these: _Say Yes To Tom Corbett_. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/hLPv7p-6er0/maxresdefault.jpg "Say Yes To Tom Corbett") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLPv7p-6er0) ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2014, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/240 "2014-10-03T01:19:31Z")
There’s at least half a dozen. They must be parodies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270.md?page=13)