# Americans for Shared Prosperity understands women voters **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 22, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270 "2014-09-22T20:37:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/21 "2014-09-23T15:53:56Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The ad is great, actually. Not nearly as condescending as “Life of Julia” that depicted a woman dependent on government her entire life. Plus I’m not even sure it’s targeted at women so much as meant to be a cute way to recap how America had a love affair with a certain candidate who promised to be different but was just more of the same old DC culture of politics, spin, and unaccountability. Actually, I think Obama made it quite a bit worse, but you don’t need to push the argument that far to remind people of the broken promise that is Barack Obama. There are two groups of people who don’t like the President. 1. Those who never liked him 2. Those that think he not progressive enough I think the number of people who are like this women in the video (“I loved him but he’s the same old kind of politician so I hate him and want Republicans to take control of the Senate”) is very, very small. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/22 "2014-09-23T15:59:17Z")
It’s telling that the GOP’s messages so far have been heavy on the “The other guy’s a loser! A lo-o-oser!” and very, very light on the “Here’s our plan for the future.” ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/23 "2014-09-23T16:02:35Z")
I think you’re misunderstanding two things here. First, I’ve heard that argument with the ACA, that it’s really much more popular than you think because many people want it to go further. There’s some merit to that argument, but it doesn’t really change the political reality much. Using that argument to try to polish the turd that is the President’s 41% approval rating is much less valid. You’re wrong that people dislike him because of their ideological leanings. He entered office with the support of a vast majority of independents and quite a few Republicans who wanted to believe that he was different. When he proved to be just like all the others, that brought him crashing down to earth and today has left him with the support of basically only Democrats. Secondly, this ad isn’t designed to get people to vote for Republicans because Obama is a typical politician. It’s designed to motivate those who already don’t like him by reminding people why they don’t like him, while demoralizing those who are just about done with him and already were on the fence about bothering to vote in 2014. I suspect that like GWB around 2006, there are a lot of Democrats tired of defending him and not particularly motivated to help him out. Never hurts to remind those voters why the guy didn’t live up to his promises. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/24 "2014-09-23T16:05:21Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > It’s telling that the GOP’s messages so far have been heavy on the “The other guy’s a loser! A lo-o-oser!” and very, very light on the “Here’s our plan for the future.” It is telling, I agree. But two more points: 1. The Democrats ran on exactly that message in 2006. 2. Republicans don’t have an agenda because they are still fighting a civil war. Democrats didn’t have the decency to govern well enough to give the GOP sufficient time in the wilderness. Ungrateful bastards.🙂 The Democrats in 2006 didn’t run on anything because they were in a civil war. In fact, they were more united than they’d been in decades. THey just didn’t want to jeopardize their election by telling the American people what they would do. In fact, they elected a ton of moderates in 2006, proceeded to get them to vote as liberals from 2009-2010, and then waved them goodbye as they returned home following the 2010 election. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/25 "2014-09-23T16:06:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Actually, I think Obama made it quite a bit worse, but you don’t need to push the argument that far to remind people of the broken promise that is Barack Obama. Considering his record of keeping promises on Politifact, as has been pointed out repeatedly to you, this is a wildly inaccurate statement. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/26 "2014-09-23T16:07:59Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Democrats didn’t have the decency to govern well enough to give the GOP sufficient time in the wilderness. Not even you believe that. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/27 "2014-09-23T16:08:42Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Never hurts to remind those voters why the guy didn’t live up to his promises. You mean all the promises that were blocked, filibustered or gutted by the republicans? Those promises? Yeah, we remember those promises. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/28 "2014-09-23T16:09:33Z")
What **adaher** believes seems to shift from minute to minute – when his most ridiculous statements are challenged, he almost always immediately backs down and shifts to some other (often equally ridiculous) assertion. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/29 "2014-09-23T16:11:19Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > The people I know who vipoted for Obama don’t regret their decision and certainly do not want a Republican Senate. So? That simply means that the people you know who voted for Obama are not the target audience for the commercial. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/30 "2014-09-23T16:12:45Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Has any woman told you so? Women do not tell me anything. They ask. And then only when they have permission to engage me in conversation. Sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/31 "2014-09-23T16:14:14Z")
The stupidity of the ad is the vapid, stereotypical representation of women, not in the issue messaging (which is just standard boilerplate attack). ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/32 "2014-09-23T16:14:40Z")
[Republicans already tried this in 2012, and it did not work.](http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/29/new-ads-encourage-women-to-break-up-with-obama/) It tells you how they think women feel about Obama, and it’s interesting only in that respect. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/33 "2014-09-23T16:15:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Considering his record of keeping promises on Politifact, as has been pointed out repeatedly to you, this is a wildly inaccurate statement. I wasn’t stating a mathematical fact. I was addressing the harder to measure ideal of “a different kind of politician”, which was the biggest part of his appeal. It’s pretty clear to almost everyone by now that this image was a carefully crafted deception. Many, like Bill and HIllary Clinton, and John McCain, saw through it immediately and shouted it from the rooftops, but he managed to keep the illusion going long enough. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/34 "2014-09-23T16:15:58Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > So? That simply means that the people you know who voted for Obama are not the target audience for the commercial. I don’t know who the target audience is, but the obnoxious woman in the commercial plays the role of someone who liked him once and doesn’t now. (For reasons that make no sense) She’s a unicorn, and not the good kind. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/35 "2014-09-23T16:17:00Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Not even you believe that. I absolutely do. What, did you think the Democrats lost in 2010 just because? Given how badly the Republicans governed from 2001-2008, they had a pretty low bar to meet to keep their majorities. They failed to meet even that low bar. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/36 "2014-09-23T16:17:32Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I wasn’t stating a mathematical fact. I was addressing the harder to measure ideal of “a different kind of politician”, which was the biggest part of his appeal. It’s pretty clear to almost everyone by now that this image was a carefully crafted deception. Many, like Bill and HIllary Clinton, and John McCain, saw through it immediately and shouted it from the rooftops, but he managed to keep the illusion going long enough. Pretty much every winning politician has successfully defined themselves as “a different kind of politician”. Obama did it twice, with big wins, including once after 4 years of governing. The guys who don’t are, you know, the _losers_. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/37 "2014-09-23T16:17:58Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The stupidity of the ad is the vapid, stereotypical representation of women, not in the issue messaging (which is just standard boilerplate attack). Exactly. But of course the conservatives here won’t address that. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/38 "2014-09-23T16:19:24Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I wasn’t stating a mathematical fact. I was addressing the harder to measure ideal of “a different kind of politician”, which was the biggest part of his appeal. It’s pretty clear to almost everyone by now that this image was a carefully crafted deception. Many, like Bill and HIllary Clinton, and John McCain, saw through it immediately and shouted it from the rooftops, but he managed to keep the illusion going long enough. Please define “almost everyone.” Do you mean “Republicans?” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/39 "2014-09-23T16:19:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I absolutely do. What, did you think the Democrats lost in 2010 just because? Given how badly the Republicans governed from 2001-2008, they had a pretty low bar to meet to keep their majorities. They failed to meet even that low bar. 2010 wasn’t about Obama – if it was, turnout would have been much higher, and he would have won. When elections are about Obama, _Obama wins_, period. Just like when elections are about Clinton, Clinton wins. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/40 "2014-09-23T16:22:25Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > You mean all the promises that were blocked, filibustered or gutted by the republicans? Those promises? Yeah, we remember those promises. As I said before, the policy promises broken were broken by his choice, not Republicans’. They blocked some things, like his jobs act, but every single major promise he made and broke he did so by his own choice. It’s not just his performance that has him at a 41% approval rating. It’s that people don’t appreciate being lied to so blatantly. And I still marvel at the bubble some people are living in where Barack Obama is still popular and to the extent he isn’t it’s Republicans’ fault. Were any of you even listening to what candidate Obama said and why people liked him so much? Do you really think he won so big because the country wanted a liberal transformation and we’re just so darn disappointed that he didn’t turn us into 1970s Sweden? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270.md?page=3)