# Americans for Shared Prosperity understands women voters **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 22, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270 "2014-09-22T20:37:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/61 "2014-09-23T16:52:17Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > See Post 41. Saw that. Does not correspond to the real world. Just a Fox fantasy. This “I used to think he was so dreamy but I guess I got suckered by his sweet words and sexy smile. Now I know he’s just a liar and a scoundrel.” People are fickle, sure, but this doesn’t happen. Especially since Obama has pretty much lived up to the expectations of those of us who voted for him. He is actually good at his job. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/62 "2014-09-23T16:56:05Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Especially since Obama has pretty much lived up to the expectations of those of us who voted for him. He is actually good at his job. Pretty much. I’ve disagreed with him on some issues, but I’ve agreed with him on far more. He’s been close to as good a President as I’ve hoped – and he’s accomplished close to as much as I’ve hoped. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/63 "2014-09-23T17:14:22Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I think this has been blown way out of proportion. When either McConnell or Bohner said that it was their goal to meme him a on-term President, that was both honest an unsurprising. Do you think the leadership in 2001 was rooting for Bush to serve two terms? I don’t recall Boehner saying this, just Mitch. I found that to be quite surprising, this is the first time to my knowledge that a Senator has said that his number one priority was to defeat the newly elected president. I’d have some respect for him if he had said that they would work hard to fight legislation that they disagreed with, but to say the number one priority of legislators was to flip the presidency, that’s a step too far. Also as far as I know, no opposition party has ever met on Inauguration Night to decide that they would oppose every single policy initiative from the new president. It’s hard to overstate the importance of this. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/64 "2014-09-23T17:18:21Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I think you’ve pinpointed the problem. I’m imagining a meeting of ten or twelve men sitting around trying to figure out what women would like to see. Let’s hope they didn’t bring any camera-equipped smartphones to that meeting. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/65 "2014-09-23T17:26:59Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Really? You can’t glean the thread of log from the spot? > > 1. Was really happy about Obama coming onto the scene and being elected. He seemed smart and was a breath of fresh air. He was inspiring. He said he was going to bring people together. And have an administration that was more transparent than any other. All really good things. > > 2. Four years ago I was a little disappointed. His speeches didn’t resemble the reality. But still, I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt > > 3. I’ve become increasingly disappointed. So much so that if he were to be running again, I would want to give someone else the opportunity instead of him. > > 4. He’s still going to be president for 2 more years, but that doesn’t mean that I have to support him, certainly not the policies he’s enacted that I don’t agree with, like Obama care, nor the people that have joined forces with him. > Pretty obvious, if you ask me. I believe I asked for a _logical_ reason to turn on Obama. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/66 "2014-09-23T18:03:56Z")
I think it’s a bit condescending. It assumes women aren’t able to comprehend discussions of current events like men are, so they have to have the ASP narrative explained to them in terms that mere women can understand- a relationship with a man that has not worked out. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/67 "2014-09-23T18:05:48Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Who made the promise to bring people together? Nixon, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/68 "2014-09-23T18:08:15Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I absolutely do. What, did you think the Democrats lost in 2010 just because? Just because of cultural backlash, mainly. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/69 "2014-09-23T18:09:24Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Do you really think he won so big because the country wanted a liberal transformation and we’re just so darn disappointed that he didn’t turn us into 1970s Sweden? Partly. ---
**Author:** ![JesterX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JesterX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JesterX)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/70 "2014-09-23T18:14:46Z")
The republicans CLEARLY have taken the posture of not working with Obama on anything except what’s absolutely necessary, and then blaming HIM for their lack of cooperation. Then their supporters parrot that idea. This ad is pretty much following along those lines. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/71 "2014-09-23T19:09:04Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > What, did you think the Democrats lost in 2010 just because? Come on, let’s not overestimate the public’s consistency in elections. A lot of people will vote for something and then are totally surprised that they get it. 2008: “Obama wants to pull U.S. troops out of Iraq. It’s about time!!” 2014: “I can’t believe Obama pulled all the troops out of Iraq! WTF??” Or, 2000: “I can’t believe how much we’re paying in taxes. That’s why I’m voting for Bush!” 2006: “Wow, these reckless tax cuts are driving us deep into debt! This has got to change!” The idea that Obama and the Democrats fared poorly in 2010 because of a particular position they took on some issue, or that they were huge failures, ignores the very consistent pattern in American politics that mid-term elections are very rarely kind to the party in power. 2010 was no different than tons of other mid-term elections in our history, and you should know that. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/72 "2014-09-23T20:43:41Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Also as far as I know, no opposition party has ever met on Inauguration Night to decide that they would oppose every single policy initiative from the new president. It’s hard to overstate the importance of this. No it’s not. You just did, without even trying. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/73 "2014-09-23T20:55:40Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Saw that. Does not correspond to the real world. Just a Fox fantasy. This “I used to think he was so dreamy but I guess I got suckered by his sweet words and sexy smile. Now I know he’s just a liar and a scoundrel.” People are fickle, sure, but this doesn’t happen. Especially since Obama has pretty much lived up to the expectations of those of us who voted for him. He is actually good at his job. :rolleyes: Do you really think that disappointment with Obama is relegated to Fox viewership? Please. No one is of the opinion that the commercial is going to change the mind of true leftists. But there is a segment of people who vote primarily for the man, not the issues. Or the man first, and the issues second. I didn’t vet for Obama, but after he was elected I was optimistic. For one, I thought it would help to erase the race divide. I was very happy that he was going to bring forth a transparent administration. And I liked his promise to not sign any bills until they were on his desk for at least three days. Well, today race I think is more of a problem (which I blame Holder for, not Obama directly), not less. His administration is anything but transparent. And of course he mange to break on e promise within three days by signing a bill on Day 2. Add to this Obamacare, and the repeated lies he put forth to sell it, the way he’s handles the IRS scandal, and a host of other things, and even I am very disappointed. In both the man and his policies. So to think it unlikely that there are a group of people who liked him more than me and are substantially disappointed is ridiculous. And remember, for the ad to work, the people don’t even have to go vote for a Republican, they just have to stay home and not vote for a Dem. as I’m sure you know, turnout is key for the party in power during an off-year election. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/74 "2014-09-23T20:58:32Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I believe I asked for a _logical_ reason to turn on Obama. Oh, I see the problem you’re having. You’re equating a logical thought process with a thought process in which you agree with the premises. You’ll have to work on the problem yourself. But here’s Step 1: face the fact that you have a problem. No, no, don’t mention it. My pleasure to help. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/75 "2014-09-23T20:59:42Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Nixon, IIRC. Well, he’s not going to be helping his party this November either, is he? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/76 "2014-09-23T21:27:44Z")
You’re forgetting about how the patriotic Republicans always rally around the Commander in Chief in times of peril. Any day now… ---
**Author:** ![JesterX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JesterX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JesterX)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/77 "2014-09-23T21:59:36Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > And I liked his promise to not sign any bills until they were on his desk for at least three days. > [@magellan01](#): > > And of course he mange to break on e promise within three days by signing a bill on Day 2. I’ve actually never heard of that quote from Obama about not signing a bill for three days. I googled it and found nothing too. But even if he made it, what’s the significance? Once a bill makes it to the President’s desk, what difference does it make if he signs it immediately or three days, or even three months later? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/78 "2014-09-23T22:11:14Z")
> [@JesterX](#): > > I’ve actually never heard of that quote from Obama about not signing a bill for three days. I googled it and found nothing too. But even if he made it, what’s the significance? Once a bill makes it to the President’s desk, what difference does it make if he signs it immediately or three days, or even three months later? \*\* As Obama put it, “Sunlight”. But I was wrong. It was five days. [Blueprint for Change, Obama and Biden’s Plan for America, page 10, paragraph 5.](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/550007-barack-obama-2008-blueprint-for-change.html#document/p10/a85282) > [@](#): > > To reduce bills rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them, Obama “will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/79 "2014-09-23T22:52:15Z")
Gasp! Oh, the horror! I only hope I can wipe away my tears long enough to fill out this Republican Party donation form! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/80 "2014-09-23T22:52:48Z")
You nailed it. Liberals are quite understandably focused on the policies he promised to implement, and any disappointment they have for him on that count can be blamed on Republicans for the most part. But Obama wasn’t elected to usher in a new liberal era. He was elected because he would be different. He would be a reformer. Let’s not mince words. He lied. He was exposed as a typical politician even before he ran for President. John McCain originally thought he was a different kind of politician too, so as McCain often does, he tried to team up with Obama to pass bipartisan ethics legislation, much as he’d teamed with a young Russ Feingold to pass campaign finance reform. Obama was warned off by the Dem leadership, who wanted him to support the more partisan bill they were working on, and as Lindsey Graham then put it, “He folded like a lawn chair.” When he had an opportunity to reach across the aisle, he chose the partisan path. Guys like Feingold, Ron Wyden, and Ed Kennedy were the real deal. Obama was always a pretender, always preferring to stay within the Democratic tent rather than reach out to Republicans, even in the Senate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270.md?page=5)