# Americans for Shared Prosperity understands women voters **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 22, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270 "2014-09-22T20:37:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/81 "2014-09-23T23:04:32Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > But Obama wasn’t elected to usher in a new liberal era. He was elected because he would be different. He would be a reformer. Let’s not mince words. He lied. Should you preface this kind of wild assertion with “In my view…” ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/82 "2014-09-23T23:23:49Z")
I think by now either you should concede the point or give an alternative theory on why he’s so unpopular. BTW, why do you think Obama attracted so many new voters in 2008? Because of his liberalism? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/83 "2014-09-23T23:26:31Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I think by now either you should concede the point or give an alternative theory on why he’s so unpopular. > > BTW, why do you think Obama attracted so many new voters in 2008? Because of his liberalism? I don’t think he’s that unpopular. There, I said it. I think if he ran today against McCain/Palin or Romney/whatshisname, he would win by about the same margins. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/84 "2014-09-23T23:32:32Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I think by now either you should concede the point or give an alternative theory on why he’s so unpopular. > > BTW, why do you think Obama attracted so many new voters in 2008? Because of his liberalism? He’s a bit unpopular, but he’s still among the most popular (if not _the_ most popular) current office-holder in America. _Everyone_ is unpopular now, and Obama is far, far more popular, nationally, than most in office at this moment. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/85 "2014-09-23T23:34:47Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > BTW, why do you think Obama attracted so many new voters in 2008? Because of his liberalism? Certainly wasn’t his “liberalism”, because he didn’t campaign (or govern) as a liberal – rather, he’s campaigned and governed as a moderate. It’s probably because he heavily courted young voters, is rather young for a candidate himself, and is a very skilled campaign communicator. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/86 "2014-09-24T00:15:33Z")
There seem to be a few in here arguing that there _isn’t_ a sizable splice of moderate America that is disillusioned with Obama. What world do you all live in? This ad is obviously targeted to them, and it’s quite effective. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/87 "2014-09-24T00:19:57Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > There seem to be a few in here arguing that there _isn’t_ a sizable splice of moderate America that is disillusioned with Obama. > > What world do you all live in? I do not think anyone here disputes that. What has not been proven is that said group believes republicans are looking to solve the problems they felt Obama failed to. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/88 "2014-09-24T00:22:28Z")
The Republicans are nowhere near ready to govern again. But since the Democrats don’t want to lead, someone has to. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/89 "2014-09-24T10:12:13Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I do not think anyone here disputes that. You must be reading a different thread. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/90 "2014-09-24T11:47:39Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The Republicans are nowhere near ready to govern again. But since the Democrats don’t want to lead, someone has to. Nope. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/91 "2014-09-24T14:59:14Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > No one is of the opinion that the commercial is going to change the mind of true leftists. But there is a segment of people who vote primarily for the man, not the issues. But, in the midterms, the “man” is the Congressional candidate. Only an “issues” voter should care whether that candidate will support or oppose Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/92 "2014-09-24T15:11:42Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > There seem to be a few in here arguing that there _isn’t_ a sizable splice of moderate America that is disillusioned with Obama. > > What world do you all live in? > > This ad is obviously targeted to them, and it’s quite effective. I guess that’s me. I’m not hearing from any moderates, in person or through the media, any serious disillusionment with the President. Many of us have “issues” with him, but he’s dong a competent job under difficult circumstances. Does anyone who once supported him enough to vote for him really dispute that? It’s easy to say “disapprove” in a poll, when the general atmosphere in DC is so toxic, it’s another thing to really have a problem with the man. I sense no buyer’s remorse. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/93 "2014-09-24T16:09:53Z")
Gotta love the name, “Americans for Shared Prosperity”. “Shared”? Kinda Big Bird socialist redistributionist, doncha think? Or is it a running dog jackal of the ruling class in sheep’s clothing? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/94 "2014-09-24T17:10:45Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Gotta love the name, “Americans for Shared Prosperity”. “Shared”? Kinda Big Bird socialist redistributionist, doncha think? Or is it a running dog jackal of the ruling class in sheep’s clothing? From [Sourcewatch](http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Prosperity): > [@](#): > > Americans for Prosperity is a right-wing political advocacy group founded by billionaire brothers David and Charles Koch, the owners of Koch Industries. In the 2012 election cycle, it was a key component of the Kochs’ $400 million political network, receiving large portions of its money from Koch-linked dark money groups like Freedom Partners, American Encore, and Donors Trust. AFP’s budget, which comes from the Koch family foundations and other unknown sources, surged from $7 million in 2007 to $40 million in 2010 to $115 million in 2012. According to the Center for Public Integrity, Americans for Prosperity “spent a staggering $122 million (in 2012) as it unsuccessfully attempted to defeat President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats,” including $83 million on “communications, ads, and media.” President Obama isn’t on the next ballot. In Texas, we’ve got enough Republican geeks & fools running to convince anybody with a brain to vote for the Democrats. Unfortunately, getting out the vote can be a problem… (No, I haven’t watched the ad yet. But my comment is probably more on point than **adaher** ’s mansplanation of why Liberals are disappointed with Obama.) ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/95 "2014-09-24T17:26:38Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But, in the midterms, the “man” is the Congressional candidate. Only an “issues” voter should care whether that candidate will support or oppose Obama. Oh, please. The President is still the most prominent political figure. Whatever happens on his watch, right or wrong he owns it. Obama’s numbers are in the tank and Dems in vulnerable districts are treating him like he has Ebola. Wisely so. Though, to be fair, Ebola is not responsible for near as much damage. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/96 "2014-09-24T17:30:08Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Oh, please. The President is still the most prominent political figure. Whatever happens on his watch, right or wrong he owns it. Obama’s numbers are in the tank and Dems in vulnerable districts are treating him like he has Ebola. Wisely so. > > Though, to be fair, Ebola is not responsible for near as much damage. Obama’s national polling numbers, while not great, are probably among the best for any current office holder, nationally. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/97 "2014-09-24T17:34:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Obama’s national polling numbers, while not great, are probably among the best for any current office holder, nationally. Yes, but that’s a misleading metric. And with the numbers of congress, faint praise indeed. Compare him to other Presidents at similar points in time. Even more to the point, compare his current numbers to where they have been during the rest of his presidency. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/98 "2014-09-24T17:43:16Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Yes, but that’s a misleading metric. How is it misleading? _All_ politicians in office are unpopular right now. Noting that, while his approval is close to the lowest of his presidency, it’s still significantly higher than most other politicans in office, doesn’t seem misleading in any way. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/99 "2014-09-24T17:51:05Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > How is it misleading? _All_ politicians in office are unpopular right now. Noting that, while his approval is close to the lowest of his presidency, it’s still significantly higher than most other politicans in office, doesn’t seem misleading in any way. I didn’t mean “misleading” in a truthfulness sort of may, but as to what I think you were trying to imply. The fact is that Obama’s numbers have never been lower. He’s no longer the rock star everyone wants to be around. Voters are down on everyone in Washington. The numbers for congress are abysmal, but that’s old news. The new normal for now. Pointing out Obama’s numbers are higher than congress is meaningless. If his numbers were a strength, how do you explain his seeming toxicity to many Dems up for reelection? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/100 "2014-09-24T18:03:57Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Pointing out Obama’s numbers are higher than congress is meaningless. Huh? There are plenty of instances in which this is meaningful. > [@](#): > > If his numbers were a strength, how do you explain his seeming toxicity to many Dems up for reelection? It’s not a surprise that, in states that Obama lost in the general election, Democratic candidates are distancing themselves. This has always been the case – even in 2008 and 2012. Many other Democrats are not distancing themselves at all. In short, this is expected, normal politics, especially for the Democratic party, which is not (and has never been) a particularly unified party. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270.md?page=6)