# Americans for Shared Prosperity understands women voters **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 22, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270 "2014-09-22T20:37:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/101 "2014-09-24T18:15:35Z")
This started with you responding to my Post #96. I stand by it. And do you really think that if Obama’s numbers were at historic highs the Dems would be shunning him? But I really don’t see this discussion going anyplace meaningful. So you can have the last word. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/102 "2014-09-24T18:34:07Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > This started with you responding to my Post #96. I stand by it. That’s okay. We can disagree while continuing a discussion. > [@](#): > > And do you really think that if Obama’s numbers were at historic highs the Dems would be shunning him? I’d be happy to answer this, but you follow with: > [@](#): > > But I really don’t see this discussion going anyplace meaningful. So you can have the last word. Which is it? Do you want to continue this discussion, or not? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/103 "2014-09-24T18:35:57Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > And do you really think that if Obama’s numbers were at historic highs the Dems would be shunning him? Obama’s approval ratings are roughly the same as Bush’s were in 2006. And most of us remember what happened to the party of the President in those elections. There weren’t a lot of pols flocking to embrace Bush then; there aren’t a lot of pols flocking to embrace Obama now, and for many of the same reasons. Let’s hope the GOP sees the same outcome for themselves as the Dems did in 2006 (and 2008). Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/104 "2014-09-24T18:38:53Z")
Many of the same reasons? You mean Obama got us into a quagmire land war in Asia and destroyed the economy? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/105 "2014-09-24T19:00:11Z")
Yeah, I agree. DIfferent reasons, but similar results. Although in both cases, a President promised to be one thing but ended up being something completely different. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/106 "2014-09-24T19:15:48Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Yeah, I agree. DIfferent reasons, but similar results. The results are quite dissimilar. > [@](#): > > Although in both cases, a President promised to be one thing but ended up being something completely different. Obama’s been pretty close to how I understood his “promise” to be. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/107 "2014-09-24T19:30:11Z")
How are the results different? OBama’s pretty much where Bush was in 2006. We’re talking about his relative popularity here. He’s firmly in Bush territory, although not as disastrous as things would eventually get for Bush once he became a lame duck. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/108 "2014-09-24T19:32:19Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > How are the results different? OBama’s pretty much where Bush was in 2006. We’re talking about his relative popularity here. If we’re talking about relative popularity, then Obama is way ahead, for the reasons already mentioned. > [@](#): > > He’s firmly in Bush territory, although not as disastrous as things would eventually get for Bush once he became a lame duck. This provides no useful information, because pretty much every approval rating from the 20s to the 80s was held at some point by Bush. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/109 "2014-09-24T19:33:38Z")
I think Bush’s disapproval rating might have had more to do with him being proven to be a lying sack than a lame duck. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/110 "2014-09-24T19:35:44Z")
Then Obama is headed for the high 20s for sure. We’ve had few more pathological liars in office. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/111 "2014-09-24T19:39:12Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Then Obama is headed for the high 20s for sure. LOL. I’ll file this away with your other predictions. > [@](#): > > We’ve had few more pathological liars in office. Cite that Obama lies more than other presidents? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/112 "2014-09-24T19:40:19Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Then Obama is headed for the high 20s for sure. We’ve had few more pathological liars in office. This makes no sense. One could disagree with Obama’s policies, but the right’s personal attacks are simply fabrications. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/113 "2014-09-24T19:41:28Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > This makes no sense. One could disagree with Obama’s policies, but the right’s personal attacks are simply fabrications. Very little that **adaher** says about Obama makes any sense. He has an admitted extreme personal bias against the man. He’s even admitted that he wants the ACA to fail in making health care better. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/114 "2014-09-24T20:01:20Z")
Yep, definitely living in a bubble. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/115 "2014-09-24T20:07:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That’s okay. We can disagree while continuing a discussion. > > I’d be happy to answer this, but you follow with: > > Which is it? Do you want to continue this discussion, or not? I was giving you a platform to answer, while realizing the discussion will not be productive. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/116 "2014-09-24T20:13:00Z")
Hard to have a productive conversation with someone who is living in a reality where the President is doing just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/117 "2014-09-24T20:13:57Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The results are quite dissimilar. Not in terms of their relative approval ratings at this point in their Presidencies, and it does not appear that their approval ratings will have dissimilar effects on the mid-term Senate elections. > [@](#): > > Obama’s been pretty close to how I understood his “promise” to be. If everyone agreed with you, I would expect Obama’s approval ratings to be higher than Bush’s were. Obama was re-elected with 50.88% of the vote. Bush got 50.7%. Bush’s approval ratings in [Sept 2006 was 44%](http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx); Obama’s is currently around 42%. Not particularly dissimilar at all. If you are saying that your personal approval of Obama has not changed at all, that’s fine, but a majority in the US do not agree. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/118 "2014-09-24T20:20:44Z")
Not knowing why the PResident is unpopular is the first step towards not knowing why you lost an election. Looks like that “Do Democrats know why they lost?” thread is imminent. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/119 "2014-09-24T20:30:51Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > How are the results different? OBama’s pretty much where Bush was in 2006. We’re talking about his relative popularity here. He’s firmly in Bush territory, although not as disastrous as things would eventually get for Bush once he became a lame duck. Once again, you are wrong. I went to Gallup’s site and pulled job approval numbers for both Congress and the President from 1974 to the present. For simplicity’s sake, I took the first available number from each calendar year (except in changeover years and then I took the incoming President’s number). I have the full data set, but here below is the average job approval for each President and his accompanying Congresses (along with the differential): ```auto **Congress President Diff** Ford 28.67 50.33 21.67 Carter 27.25 56.50 29.25 Reagan 37.67 51.75 14.08 Bush, HW 26.00 57.00 31.00 Clinton 38.38 55.63 17.25 Bush 42.13 53.13 11.00 Obama 17.17 50.83 33.67 ``` Obama, despite have the second lowest average popularity rating, has the HIGHEST differential with Congress. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/120 "2014-09-24T20:58:37Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Once again, you are wrong. I don’t think he was talking about Obama relative to Congress, but relative to Bush in 2006. [QUOTE=adaher] Hard to have a productive conversation with someone who is living in a reality where the President is doing just fine. [/QUOTE] But this is a board that considers Obama to have “won big” in 2006 because his margin of victory was eighteen one-hundredths of one percent higher than Bush. Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270.md?page=7)