# Americans for Shared Prosperity understands women voters **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 22, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270 "2014-09-22T20:37:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/121 "2014-09-24T21:00:05Z")
Whether that means anything or not will be seen in the coming election. It could be the only reason the Democrats have a chance in 2014 to hold the Senate. And the only reason the Democrats don’t still control the HOuse is because they LOST it through their actions. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/122 "2014-09-24T21:12:42Z")
> [@](#): > > But this is a board that considers Obama to have “won big” in 2006 because his margin of victory was eighteen one-hundredths of one percent higher than Bush. He won big in the electoral college, which rightly or wrongly what matters in America. If you want to talk about the popular vote instead, then you need to address a political party who thinks that having a vote total _lower_ than your opponent means a “mandate”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/123 "2014-09-24T21:29:33Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I was giving you a platform to answer, while realizing the discussion will not be productive. That’s kind of incoherent. Are you asking because you want to know the answer, or do you not want to continue this back and forth? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/124 "2014-09-24T21:30:36Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Hard to have a productive conversation with someone who is living in a reality where the President is doing just fine. Who said he’s “doing just fine”? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/125 "2014-09-24T21:34:38Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > everyone agreed with you, I would expect Obama’s approval ratings to be higher than Bush’s were. I’m well aware that my opinion is not the majority opinion in the US. Neither is yours or **adaher’s**. > [@](#): > > Obama was re-elected with 50.88% of the vote. Bush got 50.7%. Bush’s approval ratings in [Sept 2006 was 44%](http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx); Obama’s is currently around 42%. Not particularly dissimilar at all. Compared to Congress and other politicians in office, it’s quite different. > [@](#): > > If you are saying that your personal approval of Obama has not changed at all, that’s fine, but a majority in the US do not agree. Not exactly. I’m just saying that he’s about met my expectations. My hopes were certainly higher, but I recognized that my hopes that most Republicans would try to compromise and not try to torpedo things like health care and immigration reform were not very realistic. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/126 "2014-09-24T21:40:46Z")
And his promises to reform the way government works, I guess you just accepted that as stuff he needed to say to get elected? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/127 "2014-09-24T22:27:54Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > And his promises to reform the way government works, I guess you just accepted that as stuff he needed to say to get elected? There’s tons of stuff he said to get elected. And according to Politifact, he’s done a surprising job of keeping (or compromising on) most of his promises. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/128 "2014-09-24T22:40:22Z")
2 kept for every 1 broken? Wow, how impressive. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/129 "2014-09-24T22:56:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > 2 kept for every 1 broken? Wow, how impressive. More like 3 to 1, including compromises and those in the works. And yes, in this environment, this is pretty impressive. ---
**Author:** ![LC\_Strawhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@LC\_Strawhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LC_Strawhouse)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/130 "2014-09-25T00:01:38Z")
Without getting into Obama’s performance - I don’t think you need to be a rabid lefty to agree that commercial is embarrassing. It’s akin to making a commercial for “men” with some guy comparing the President to a fantasy football pick that doesn’t pan out (so that means you gotta cut’im from the team, am I right, buddeh?) ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/131 "2014-09-25T01:38:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That’s kind of incoherent. Are you asking because you want to know the answer, or do you not want to continue this back and forth? Both. I asked a question that I was curious about. I also don’t think that discussing this further would be productive. So, I thought I’d ask you what I was curious about and give you the last word on the larger discussion as well. I think you’re taking this the wrong way. I was trying to be polite, conciliatory, not snarky. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/132 "2014-09-25T13:23:40Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Both. I asked a question that I was curious about. I also don’t think that discussing this further would be productive. So, I thought I’d ask you what I was curious about and give you the last word on the larger discussion as well. I think you’re taking this the wrong way. I was trying to be polite, conciliatory, not snarky. Okay. To answer the question, Obama would be “shunned” by Democrats in any state or locality in which it was politically beneficial to shun him, regardless of his national approval. This is true now as well. In places in which he’s very unpopular, Democratic candidates distance themselves from him. In places in which his popularity is okay or better, Democratic candidates do not, and often embrace him. This is true now, and it was true in '08 and '12. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/133 "2014-09-25T13:55:42Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Whether that means anything or not will be seen in the coming election. It could be the only reason the Democrats have a chance in 2014 to hold the Senate. And the only reason the Democrats don’t still control the HOuse is because they LOST it through their actions. Yes, darn them to heck for collecting more votes for congressional seats but getting fewer seats because of gerrymandering. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/134 "2014-09-25T14:55:52Z")
Not the case in 2010. They lost by a bigger margin than Obama won in 2010. Quite the turnaround. But I suppose such swings “just happen”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/135 "2014-09-25T15:32:12Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Not the case in 2010. They lost by a bigger margin than Obama won in 2010. Quite the turnaround. But I suppose such swings “just happen”. Factually wrong. Obama’s margin in 2008 was larger than the Republican House margin in 2010. Stop saying things without a cite. _Everything you say without a cite is suspect_, and much of what you say with a cite is suspect. Please please please stop making assertions about facts without cites. You’re just terrible – utterly, miserably, terrible – at not being factually wrong. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/136 "2014-09-25T15:41:18Z")
Only the weak-minded depend on facts for their political views, the creative mind soars on the winds of conjecture and imagination, leaving such dullards as you gaping and slack-jawed in stunned admiration. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/137 "2014-09-26T22:03:07Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Democrats didn’t have the decency to govern well enough to give the GOP sufficient time in the wilderness. More accurate to say the Republicans didn’t have the decency to stay in the wilderness where they belong. Which is no big surprise. If they had any decency at all, they’d hardly be willing to be Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/138 "2014-09-26T22:38:59Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > More accurate to say the Republicans didn’t have the decency to stay in the wilderness where they belong. It wasn’t exactly the wilderness. They went away for a nice three-day weekend at an exclusive spa, decided everything was fine and they should keep doing more of the same. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/139 "2014-09-26T22:59:24Z")
Not exactly. The Tea Party changed the GOP, and I doubt that without their energy they would have been able to make their comeback in 2010. IIandyii, sorry about that. You’re right, Obama won by 7.2% in 2008, Republicans won the House vote by 6.8% in 2010. Since I was wrong, I’ll make one of my famous predictions right here: In 2014, the Republicans will exceed Obama’s victory margin over Romney, in both the House and Senate elections. I also predict that Democrats will think this had nothing whatsoever to do with Democrats’ governing. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270/140 "2014-09-27T00:59:37Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > It wasn’t exactly the wilderness. They went away for a nice three-day weekend at an exclusive spa, decided everything was fine and they should keep doing more of the same. > [@adaher](#): > > Not exactly. The Tea Party changed the GOP,… More of the same. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-for-shared-prosperity-understands-women-voters/699270.md?page=8)