# Amsterdam Pro Gay-Idiots **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 22, 2008, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336 "2008-12-22T18:10:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/1 "2008-12-22T18:10:24Z")
From [here](http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/081221/world/netherlands_gay_christmas) > [@](#): > > Amsterdam hosted a Christmas celebration for its gay community Sunday featuring a nativity tableau with a male Mary in drag … > A male entertainer known as Wendy Mills posed as Mary in a blond wig and high-heeled black boots and holding a plastic doll. Another man played Joseph in black leather trunks and a silver shawl. Why would they do such a thing > [@](#): > > Organizers said the event was meant to raise Amsterdam’s profile as a gay capital at a time when homosexuals feel threatened… > Frank van Dalen, chairman of Pro Gay, which organized the event, said gays were not satisfied with being tolerated, but wanted to be “socially accepted as an indivisible part of society.” Oh sure ! That’s going to help :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![neutron\_star](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/51bf81/32.png) [@neutron\_star](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neutron_star)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/2 "2008-12-22T18:13:04Z")
I’m going to start spitting in people’s faces, then asking them to be my friends. Seems logical. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/3 "2008-12-22T18:19:41Z")
Well, sure it’ll help, because all gays are into leather and drag, so now the people of Amsterdam are more educated on the subject. Or, you know, not. ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/4 "2008-12-22T18:19:46Z")
I defy you to justify equating what they did with actually spitting in someone’s face. ---
**Author:** ![Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swallowed_My_Cellphone)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/5 "2008-12-22T18:22:24Z")
Oh, big whoop. I’ve seen just as offensive lampoonish stuff from the straight community. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/6 "2008-12-22T18:28:48Z")
> [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](#): > > Oh, big whoop. I’ve seen just as offensive lampoonish stuff from the straight community. That’s not the point. Is it going to help the gay community ? ---
**Author:** ![neutron\_star](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/51bf81/32.png) [@neutron\_star](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neutron_star)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/7 "2008-12-22T18:33:28Z")
> [@Olentzero](#): > > I defy you to justify equating what they did with actually spitting in someone’s face. People get pretty worked up about their religious mythology. ETA: and Jesus Christ, some people nitpick the dumbest shit. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/8 "2008-12-22T18:33:32Z")
Well, I thought it was funny. But then, I’m a pro-gay atheist so I’m probably not the best person to judge. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/9 "2008-12-22T18:38:27Z")
I think maybe the Christian _offenderati_ need to lighten up. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/10 "2008-12-22T18:41:16Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > That’s not the point. Is it going to help the gay community ? Sure, why not? It advertises Amsterdam as a gay capital and facilitates a feeling of solidarity. The only people who are going to be offended are those who are unreachable homophobes anyway. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/11 "2008-12-22T18:41:25Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I think maybe the Christian _offenderati_ need to lighten up. Okay, bit will this event help ? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/12 "2008-12-22T18:42:27Z")
Dumbasses. Fucking idiots. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/13 "2008-12-22T18:44:28Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Sure, why not? It advertises Amsterdam as a gay capital and facilitates a feeling of solidarity. The only people who are going to be offended are those who are unreachable homophobes anyway. Well, I’m offended because all this is going to do is stir up shit and raise the level of homophobia. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/14 "2008-12-22T18:44:53Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Okay, bit will this event help ? Like I said, I don’t see why not. I don’t think it will hurt. Does it affect your own opinion about gay rights? Do you think it proves anything about gay people? What moron would? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/15 "2008-12-22T18:45:20Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Well, I’m offended because all this is going to do is stir up shit and raise the level of homophobia. You’re offended because people will be offended? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/16 "2008-12-22T18:46:00Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Well, I’m offended because all this is going to do is stir up shit and raise the level of homophobia. I honestly don’t think it creates _more_ homophobes. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/17 "2008-12-22T18:49:32Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > You’re offended because people will be offended? Look, gay rights is not the issue in Amsterdam. But gays want to be socially accepted without reservation. Good and all, but you don’t get there by deliberately offending people. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/18 "2008-12-22T18:54:03Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Good and all, but you don’t get there by deliberately offending people. Well, it works for PETA. Or not. ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/19 "2008-12-22T18:54:34Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Well, I’m offended because all this is going to do is stir up shit and raise the level of homophobia. Thanks for clearing that up. I thought maybe you were offended because it was making some aspect of your “Canadian culture” butthurt. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336/20 "2008-12-22T19:09:49Z")
If they wanted a gay Mary and Joseph, wouldn’t it have made more sense for them both to be women, rather than both being men? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/amsterdam-pro-gay-idiots/478336.md?page=2)