# An actual case of Florida election fraud! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 17, 2021, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-actual-case-of-florida-election-fraud/938059 "2021-03-17T02:56:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-actual-case-of-florida-election-fraud/938059/1 "2021-03-17T02:56:56Z")
For homecoming queen, that is. An assistant principal used her login to hack into other students’ accounts and elect her daughter homecoming queen. She and her daughter have both been arrested. The mother was suspended from her job and her daughter expelled. > **[Another Scheming High-School Mom Has Been Arrested](https://www.thecut.com/2021/05/florida-mom-daughter-arrested-for-homecoming-election-fraud.html)** > > A Florida mother and daughter face up to 16 years in prison for allegedly conspiring to rig a homecoming election. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-actual-case-of-florida-election-fraud/938059/2 "2021-03-17T03:02:38Z")
Interesting. But the article seems to be missing something. From what it says, it’s not clear to me why they assume the mother was in on it, and it wasn’t just the daughter stealing her mom’s login info on her own or using her mom’s computer and phone. The arrogance involved in how poorly it was done could be from a woman who doesn’t know how computers work, sure. But it could also be the clearly arrogant teen who practically confessed by saying she accesses her mom’s account all the time. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-actual-case-of-florida-election-fraud/938059/3 "2021-03-17T04:09:39Z")
124 votes came from Mom’s phone. A different article I read said that Mom’s password changed every 45 days, so it was highly unlikely that the daughter hacked Mom’s phone. Stranger is that Emily the daughter was elected homecoming Queen on October 30, but was expelled in November (no reason given for the expulsion). The investigation took 5 months. Dates don’t quite add up, but we’re not talking great journalism in the article. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-actual-case-of-florida-election-fraud/938059/4 "2021-03-17T09:17:09Z")
I take it that the crime for which they were arrested was the computer hacking or unauthorized accessing of computers, and not for stealing the election. I don’t know if fraudulently rigging a homecoming queen election is actually a crime. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-actual-case-of-florida-election-fraud/938059/5 "2021-03-17T09:20:14Z")
Sad that homecoming queen is such a vaunted status. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-actual-case-of-florida-election-fraud/938059/6 "2021-03-17T10:13:05Z")
Here’s the story from CNN. [https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/16/us/mother-daughter-homecoming-votes-trnd/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/16/us/mother-daughter-homecoming-votes-trnd/index.html) > [@](#): > > Carroll and her daughter were each charged with offenses against users of computers, computer systems, computer networks and electronic devices; unlawful use of a two-way communications device; criminal use of personally identifiable information; and conspiracy to commit these offenses, the release said. All but the conspiracy charge are listed as third-degree felonies. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-actual-case-of-florida-election-fraud/938059/7 "2021-03-17T10:41:38Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > 124 votes came from Mom’s phone. A different article I read said that Mom’s password changed every 45 days, so it was highly unlikely that the daughter hacked Mom’s phone. A changing password wouldn’t mean much if mom logs in and saves the changed password in her phone. I’m not saying that mom didn’t help out. I’m just wondering what evidence they have that she did. Even the CNN article only talks about the daughter admitting to defrauding the votes. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-actual-case-of-florida-election-fraud/938059/8 "2021-03-17T14:34:00Z")
I’m a cybersecurity guy, and I agree that what they did was stupid and wrong, and there needs to be some consequences for it. But jail time seems just a _bit_ excessive. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-actual-case-of-florida-election-fraud/938059/9 "2021-03-17T16:09:48Z")
Yes. Accessing personal data is certainly a serious matter. However, there doesn’t seem to have been any actual damage done to anyone. However, the charges were brought by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. I don’t know how much influence the school might have had. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-actual-case-of-florida-election-fraud/938059/10 "2021-03-17T17:30:47Z")
I have relatives who teach school in FL. The state (and therefore the districts) are absolutely apeshit about student privacy, fear of unauthorized records access leading to stalking or worse, etc. They might or might not be any good at technical cybersecurity, but boy do they have the paranoia level way up on staff access to and use of student data. ---
**Author:** ![ratatoskK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ratatoskk/32/2987_2.png) [@ratatoskK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratatoskK)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-actual-case-of-florida-election-fraud/938059/11 "2021-03-17T20:33:59Z")
I hope that where the articles say the mother was “suspended” from her job, they mean she was fired. But who knows? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-actual-case-of-florida-election-fraud/938059/12 "2021-03-17T21:00:43Z")
They might have to go through due process before actually firing her. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-actual-case-of-florida-election-fraud/938059/13 "2021-03-17T22:32:35Z")
My favorite legal blogger’s take on this and another case of wacko Moms and “election” fraud: > **[Moms Arrested for Hacking Cheerleading and Homecoming-Queen Competitions –...](https://www.loweringthebar.net/2021/03/moms-arrested-for-hacking-cheerleading-and-homecoming-queen-competitions.html)** ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-actual-case-of-florida-election-fraud/938059/14 "2021-03-17T22:39:42Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > They might have to go through due process before actually firing her. She was an assistant principal, which seems like a desirable, fairly well-paying job, and one leading to a comfortable retirement with a decent pension. So why end your career for something seemingly so trivial? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-actual-case-of-florida-election-fraud/938059/15 "2021-03-17T23:03:30Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > So why end your career for something seemingly so trivial? 1. “No-one will ever know.” 2. “Even if someone finds out, no-one will care.” 3. “Opal says it’s okay.” ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-actual-case-of-florida-election-fraud/938059/16 "2021-03-17T23:08:43Z")
1. I’m a self-centered narcissistic demi-psycho. 2. I didn’t _quite_ make the cheerleading squad / Homecoming Queen in High School and was _soooo_ disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-actual-case-of-florida-election-fraud/938059/17 "2021-03-18T03:53:35Z")
1. And besides, those crooked commie socialistic Democrats do it too, right?