# An all-shortie All-Star team

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-all-shortie-all-star-team/981573>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Tags:** baseball-mlb\
**Created:** [March 24, 2023, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-all-shortie-all-star-team/981573 "2023-03-24T01:21:35Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 5\
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**Author:** ![slicedalone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slicedalone/32/12515_2.png) [@slicedalone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slicedalone)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-all-shortie-all-star-team/981573/21 "2023-03-25T16:48:55Z")

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No bullpen (see Kingman response).

Now for batting orders. How about

LF Tim Raines 5’8"  
3B John McGraw 5’7"  
2B Joe Morgan 5’7"  
CF Hack Wilson 5’6"  
C Yogi Berra 5’8"  
1B Joe Judge, 5’8"  
RF Willie Keeler 5’4"  
SS Phil Rizzuto 5’6"  
P Bobby Shantz 5’6"

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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2023, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-all-shortie-all-star-team/981573/22 "2023-03-25T17:32:07Z")

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I would probably bat Keeler 2nd. Just swap him and McGraw. Keeler was a bit better offensively and one of the best at bat control.

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**Author:** ![slicedalone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slicedalone/32/12515_2.png) [@slicedalone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slicedalone)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2023, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-all-shortie-all-star-team/981573/23 "2023-03-25T18:40:01Z")

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> [@What\_Exit](#):
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> Just swap him and McGraw.

Did you know McGraw had a lifetime OBP of .466? (Keeler was at .388), with a better OPS than Keeler? Both great bunters, which is why I put McGraw in the #2 hole.

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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2023, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-all-shortie-all-star-team/981573/24 "2023-03-25T19:09:57Z")

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I didn’t realize that, what a crazy good number. But in Keeler’s favor was a .341 BA over 8591 at bats to McGraw’s 3924 AB. So Keeler was better for the long haul and it looks like Keeler’s peaks were slightly better. I mean you have 8 straight seasons of 200+ hits. Sometimes just looking at final averages is not best.

If you like WAR, Keeler is a 54.2 and McGraw a 45.7

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**Author:** ![slicedalone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slicedalone/32/12515_2.png) [@slicedalone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slicedalone)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2023, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-all-shortie-all-star-team/981573/25 "2023-03-25T19:17:21Z")

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> [@What\_Exit](#):
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> what a crazy good number.

Third-best, all time, just behind Ted and George Herman.

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