# An angle of the WTC collapse I'd never seen
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-angle-of-the-wtc-collapse-id-never-seen/547182
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [July 19, 2010, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-angle-of-the-wtc-collapse-id-never-seen/547182 "2010-07-19T01:39:32Z")
**Posts on this page:** 14
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### Author:  [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)
#### Post date: [September 15, 2010, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-angle-of-the-wtc-collapse-id-never-seen/547182/821 "2010-09-15T10:15:46Z")
> [@Alessan](#):
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> > [@psikeyhackr](#):
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> > So provide a link to a picture of the Pentagon with elongated holes for the wings. Cut out the talk like people are supposed to believe mere talk.
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> > psik
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> We could - if the Pentagon were made out of cardboard.
Hey, if I’ve learned anything from cartoons it’s that anything going through a wall will leave a perfect outline of the person or object. Any suggestion that the impact could affect either other parts of the wall or any part of the perforating object are just crazy talk.
Or, y’know, **psikeyhackr** could look at Posts #812 and 813.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [September 15, 2010, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-angle-of-the-wtc-collapse-id-never-seen/547182/822 "2010-09-15T11:13:39Z")
> [@psikeyhackr](#):
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> > [@Gregg64](#):
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> > Another thing truffers don’t ever act like they know is that aluminum IGNITES AND BURNS and a relatively low temp. Don’t believe it? Next time you are around a campfire or even your home fireplace, toss a soda can under the logs into the charcoal like stuff under it, in a few seconds, instead of melting like a lot of people would think, it’ll burst into flames and in just a few seconds it’s gone. So a lot of airplane that is in a crash like at the Pentagon literally vaporizes and leaves no evidence. But there are plenty of pieces of airplane in photos of the Pentagon, hell, the whole vertical stabilizer is is one pic I have seen. .
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> Would you provide a link to the picture of the vertical stabilizer?
Would you acknowledge you will ignore all links provided and continue asking questions that have already been answered?
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### Author:  [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)
#### Post date: [September 15, 2010, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-angle-of-the-wtc-collapse-id-never-seen/547182/823 "2010-09-15T13:36:41Z")
I’ll cut psik some slack here - I don’t think Gregg64 really saw pics of the vertical stabilizer, because the vertical stabilizer smashed into the Pentagon wall at 500 mph and was smashed to bits.
However, there are pics of the elongated holes for wings. Lute linked to one in post #813.
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### Author:  [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)
#### Post date: [September 15, 2010, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-angle-of-the-wtc-collapse-id-never-seen/547182/824 "2010-09-15T14:51:59Z")
I’ll even post pics of impact damage caused by the starboard wing.
[ ](https://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/docs/blue6.jpg)
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[ ](http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/4.jpg)
[http://www.gamelogos.com/temp/starboard-wing.jpg](http://www.gamelogos.com/temp/starboard-wing.jpg)
[http://www.questionsquestions.net/pentagon/pentagonimages/pentagonjpgs/right-wing-gash2.jpg](http://www.questionsquestions.net/pentagon/pentagonimages/pentagonjpgs/right-wing-gash2.jpg)
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### Author:  [@Mozart1220](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mozart1220)
#### Post date: [September 15, 2010, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-angle-of-the-wtc-collapse-id-never-seen/547182/825 "2010-09-15T14:58:46Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#):
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> I’ll even post pics of impact damage caused by the starboard wing.
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> [http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/docs/blue6.jpg](http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/docs/blue6.jpg)
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> [http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/PentWingHole-full.jpg](http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/PentWingHole-full.jpg)
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> [http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/4.jpg](http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/4.jpg)
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> [http://www.gamelogos.com/temp/starboard-wing.jpg](http://www.gamelogos.com/temp/starboard-wing.jpg)
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> [http://www.questionsquestions.net/pentagon/pentagonimages/pentagonjpgs/right-wing-gash2.jpg](http://www.questionsquestions.net/pentagon/pentagonimages/pentagonjpgs/right-wing-gash2.jpg)
None of those pics show anything conclusive, and wouldn’t the port wing have done some damage to the ground? Pretty convenient that the entire plane turned to “dust”.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [September 15, 2010, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-angle-of-the-wtc-collapse-id-never-seen/547182/826 "2010-09-15T15:04:04Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#):
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> > [@Lute Skywatcher](#):
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> > I’ll even post pics of impact damage caused by the starboard wing.
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> > [http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/docs/blue6.jpg](http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/docs/blue6.jpg)
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> > [http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/PentWingHole-full.jpg](http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/PentWingHole-full.jpg)
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> > [http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/4.jpg](http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/4.jpg)
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> > [http://www.gamelogos.com/temp/starboard-wing.jpg](http://www.gamelogos.com/temp/starboard-wing.jpg)
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> > [http://www.questionsquestions.net/pentagon/pentagonimages/pentagonjpgs/right-wing-gash2.jpg](http://www.questionsquestions.net/pentagon/pentagonimages/pentagonjpgs/right-wing-gash2.jpg)
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> None of those pics show anything conclusive, and wouldn’t the port wing have done some damage to the ground? Pretty convenient that the entire plane turned to “dust”.
Thank you for answering post #822.
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### Author:  [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)
#### Post date: [September 15, 2010, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-angle-of-the-wtc-collapse-id-never-seen/547182/827 "2010-09-15T15:07:40Z")
[![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwAhkRciO7k)
That’s what happens when you smash a plane into a building. A plane is basically a hollow metal tube.
Notice the wall wasn’t really damaged much at all.
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### Author:  [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)
#### Post date: [September 15, 2010, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-angle-of-the-wtc-collapse-id-never-seen/547182/828 "2010-09-15T15:26:39Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#):
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> wouldn’t the port wing have done some damage to the ground?
There is evidence that the port engine damaged ground-level concrete. I’ll link to pics if I can find the links again.
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### Author:  [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)
#### Post date: [September 15, 2010, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-angle-of-the-wtc-collapse-id-never-seen/547182/829 "2010-09-15T15:27:17Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#):
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> None of those pics show anything conclusive, and wouldn’t the port wing have done some damage to the ground? Pretty convenient that the entire plane turned to “dust”.
The port side wing didn’t hit the ground, it hit across the first floor face. The port engine apparently clipped a concrete vent retaining wall just before hitting the building.
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### Author:  [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)
#### Post date: [September 15, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-angle-of-the-wtc-collapse-id-never-seen/547182/830 "2010-09-15T16:41:35Z")
> [@Gregg64](#):
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> Another thing truffers don’t ever act like they know is that aluminum IGNITES AND BURNS and a relatively low temp. Don’t believe it? Next time you are around a campfire or even your home fireplace, toss a soda can under the logs into the charcoal like stuff under it, in a few seconds, instead of melting like a lot of people would think, it’ll burst into flames and in just a few seconds it’s gone.
Yup. That’s the reason the Hindenburg started up. The outer shell was covered in aluminum powder.
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### Author:  [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)
#### Post date: [September 15, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-angle-of-the-wtc-collapse-id-never-seen/547182/831 "2010-09-15T17:35:24Z")
> [@pedescribe](#):
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> Yup. That’s the reason the Hindenburg started up. The outer shell was covered in aluminum powder.
Well, that clinches it, then.
HINDENBURG WAS AN INSIDE JOB
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### Author:  [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)
#### Post date: [September 15, 2010, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-angle-of-the-wtc-collapse-id-never-seen/547182/832 "2010-09-15T18:56:33Z")
> [@Algorithm](#):
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> Well, that clinches it, then.
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> HINDENBURG WAS AN INSIDE JOB
That’s because they knew that they’d have to bring down the WTC 64 years later and no-one was going to believe that a blimp could knock over a skyscraper. Therefore, they had to kill off the zeppelin industry so it could be replaced by airplanes, which they did by using aluminum (which of course is an ingredient of thermite) to blow up the Hindenburg. It’s so simple!
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### Author:  [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)
#### Post date: [September 15, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-angle-of-the-wtc-collapse-id-never-seen/547182/833 "2010-09-15T20:24:05Z")
> [@42fish](#):
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> That’s because they knew that they’d have to bring down the WTC 64 years later and no-one was going to believe that a blimp could knock over a skyscraper. Therefore, they had to kill off the zeppelin industry so it could be replaced by airplanes, which they did by using aluminum (which of course is an ingredient of thermite) to blow up the Hindenburg. It’s so simple!
You lost a few style points for not fitting the word “sheeple” into your rant.
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### Author:  [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)
#### Post date: [September 15, 2010, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-angle-of-the-wtc-collapse-id-never-seen/547182/834 "2010-09-15T20:25:01Z")
> [@CurtC](#):
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> > [@42fish](#):
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> > That’s because they knew that they’d have to bring down the WTC 64 years later and no-one was going to believe that a blimp could knock over a skyscraper. Therefore, they had to kill off the zeppelin industry so it could be replaced by airplanes, which they did by using aluminum (which of course is an ingredient of thermite) to blow up the Hindenburg. It’s so simple!
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> You lost a few style points for not fitting the word “sheeple” into your rant.
Doesn’t “wake up, America!” have to be in there somewhere, too?
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