There are no lurkers, and you all know this as well as I do.
Then we do it for the shills?
Thrills, shills, and sheer quixotic willpower!
And no one would notice the oh say 32,000 liters of Jet-A floating on the surface of the lake the next day?
Well, the key element is that pollution in and around Lake Erie has made all local residents and workers prone to Temporary Plane Blindness, or TPB.
I could say something dirty about having some laps at the Y.
So could I, but I was not doing laps at the Y on 9/11.
“We’ve got to get out of this trap! Before this … decadence … saps our wills. I’ve got to be strong, und try to … hang on! Or else, my mind may well snap! Und my life … will be lived … for ze shills…!” :o
They have this system called radar that can track large metal objects in the sky. Like airliners. Many people would have noticed a jet fly across the entirety of Ohio and vanish into Lake Erie. Unless the hijackers were so skilled they could fly a commercial airliner nape of the earth across a mid-sized state. Unlikely given their training.
That’s right, Dave Grohl will be renaming his band The Woo Fighters any day now to assist us in our cause.
People here engage with Ivan and his like to blow off steam and pass the time. If you want to pretend there is a silent audience of thousands who would read Ivan Astikov’s silly question mongering and be convinced that 9/11 CT’s are true, that’s up to you, but there really isn’t.
I am a little late to the discussion and in fact haven’t finished reading the whole thread. Also, I am anything but a truther… they are comically off-base, IMO.
However, while I might have misinterpreted the captions accompanying the photographs of the pentagon bodies, I do not recall any explicit claim that the bodies were of airline passengers (or crew). It seemed to me that they could have been bodies of victims who were present in the Pentagon when the plane hit. Again, I could have this all wrong and simply missed the photo captions that explained that the bodies and body parts were definitely from persons aboard the aircraft.
As of this post, this thread has 730 posts, and over 16,000 views. Unless each person who has posted to this thread has first opened it at least twenty times before they make each of their posts, it seems like there’s a substantial number of people reading the thread, but not participating. Whether any of them have had their minds changed one way or the other by the debate here is, of course, impossible to say.
However, in real life, I have used the arguments I’ve read in threads like this to convince the majority of my friends that 9/11 conspiracy theories are bunk. When these theories first started making their rounds, I was in the minority in my social circle in not buying into them. Now, there’s only one or two people I’m close to who still believe in this stuff. So I’d say there’s some real value to these debates, and I strongly suspect that the number of lurkers who’ve had their minds changed because of threads like this is substantially greater than zero.
Have you heard about the decision about the memorial at the WTC site?
The city decided to go with an open park and the worlds largest franchise of the “International House of Pancakes!”
This is not a joke. This is true shit. ivan told me that Canada is in it up to the’re nuts over the maple syrup chokehold. If Canada has its way, we’ll all be speaking English very soon.
Piss off ivan.
Sorry if I have offended any of our friends to the north. Sometimes humor is a good outlet. 
I will admit that my post #702 may seem one of the dumbest, if not THE dumbest - things I have ever posted. It was meant to be asking where you were when the Pentagon was hit, which should have been almost obvious, considering where we were in the conversation.
I Love Me, Vol 1 is bang on with her assessment of my doubts about the Pentagon bodies. Another thing that seems blatantly apparent to us two, at least, but nobody else seemed to consider it.
And finally*, I didn’t think I was under any obligation to respond to every question that was asked of me, but if you seriously want a reply, don’t expect me to wade back through 600 posts for a reminder of what your important points are.
- Don’t get excited… I meant for this post.
In this thread it doesn’t stand out.
What’s the purpose of engaging someone else in a conversation if you can’t be bothered to answer their questions?
Erm…they are trying to engage me. I never asked for their specific input. Maybe those who haven’t had their questions answered should check the posts of those I have responded to, and see if there is a particular pattern they need to adopt?
They are trying. At the moment you seem to be ignoring questions at random. TO pick up where you left off, do you actually believe any of this nonsense about American Airlines 77 disappearing, or are you attempting to prove some kind of point?
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There are pictures of bodies in airplane seats. Look closer sometime.
I for one have been reading since the beginning but not participating and have been wholly unconvinced of any conspiracy whatsoever.
I’m only abut 2/3 of the way through the thread, so pardon me if these have been addressed:
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Are more individual explosive elements AND more total explosive material required to bring down a building safely - in it’s own footprint - than required just to ensure the building does fall?
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Do the explosive elements require det cord, or could some type of electronic trigger be used remotedly?
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Could charges be placed on the **core **at the floor supports so as to cause the supports and floors to collapse inward, pulling in the outer support walls?
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Is there some standard measurement of effectiveness of explosives, such as a blast power to explosive mass ratio (newtons to grams)? If so, what is the highest known?
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Finally, what volume of the most effective explosive known would be necessary for the scenario below.
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What would the Effectiveness Rating from #4 need to be for a six inch cube of an explosive placed at every floor support on a single floor need to be, compared to the most powerful available explosive?
Explosives are placed at the core on the floor supports.
The explosives are placed at the floors at which the ratio of the support strength of the outer support walls to the mass of the building above is most favorable to bring down the building (i.e. not too high, or the mass of the upper floors will not be enough to cause the metaphorical avalanche and not too low, where the outer walls will be strong enough to withstand the inward pull of the floors).
(Remember, safety is not a concern in these questions.)
The two contentions I am trying to address are that this would not have been a ‘typical’ demolition explosion, and that there exist more powerful explosives than we know of. I think I have asked the necessary questions for that, and this thread has attracted a demolitions expert.
I picked the 6 inch cube volume of the explosive out of the air; I have no idea how large an item could have gone unnoticed in the Towers.
So, can we answer these questions, to refudiate the explosives theory with something more specific than ‘somebody would have noticed’?
I just noticed that my questions would require a density of the explosive, or an Effectiveness Rating in force to volume of explosive; I will leave that to any explosives expert; if there is an Effectiveness Rating in force to mass, let’s use highest know density of an explosive, to favor the smallest possible volume.
[In case you need me to say it, no, this is not one of my pet conspiracy theories.]