# An article from Ireland's Independent about Trump's victory **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 12, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-article-from-irelands-independent-about-trumps-victory/774535 "2016-12-12T17:44:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-article-from-irelands-independent-about-trumps-victory/774535/41 "2016-12-18T00:24:18Z")
The poster Smitty is a gawd damn genius and most of you liberals around here can’t even glimpse his insight. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-article-from-irelands-independent-about-trumps-victory/774535/42 "2016-12-18T01:06:19Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > I live in Houston, Texas. We’ve got a population greater than any of 30 states & we went for Hillary. Where do you live? City of Houston or the whole metro area? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-article-from-irelands-independent-about-trumps-victory/774535/43 "2016-12-18T01:19:50Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Chicago has its issues but a hell-hole it is not. I can live pretty much wherever I want, and this is where I choose. I love this city. And it’s not a liberal city. Democrat, yes. Liberal, not as much. You’re right. I actually hesitated before posting Chicago and probably shouldn’t have. I’ll retract it. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-article-from-irelands-independent-about-trumps-victory/774535/44 "2016-12-18T05:33:43Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > a basket of dependants. That’s pretty good. If Trump said that in the debates the internet would’ve crashed. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-article-from-irelands-independent-about-trumps-victory/774535/45 "2016-12-18T05:57:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > **It’s fairly specious to claim that most American voters preferred Hillary**. In reality it was most mega-city voters voters who preferred Hillary, and even then by not all that wide a margin. The sentence I bolded is one of the most blatantly false sentences I have ever read on the SDMB. Indeed, the second sentence confirms the falsehood in the first. There is absolutely nothing true or accurate of fact-based about the first sentence. It is a completely disconnected from reality in every way. I can’t believe it sat there for 10 hours without being specifically challenged and denounced for the idiocy it contains. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-article-from-irelands-independent-about-trumps-victory/774535/46 "2016-12-18T06:11:34Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It’s fairly specious to claim that most American voters preferred Hillary. In reality it was most mega-city voters voters who preferred Hillary, and even then by not all that wide a margin. Are there MORE mega-city voters than buttfuck-egypt voters? Why should voters from cousin-marryin’ land count for more than those mega-city voters? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-article-from-irelands-independent-about-trumps-victory/774535/47 "2016-12-18T07:03:58Z")
Well, lemme 'splain. You had your voters who voted for Hillary. And you had your voters who voted for Trump. Popular vote wise - which as we all know is meaningless if we’ve been paying attention - Hillary has an edge of some 2.8 million. However, it’s been widely speculated that millions of previous Democrat voters stayed home this time because Hillary Clinton was such an unsavory candidate in so many ways. The same has been said for those who’d previously voted Republican but abstained this time because they likewise found Trump too unsavory to vote for. So when you add up the voters who voted for Donald Trump and then combine them with the ones who previously voted Republican but abstained this time, and then add to that amount the ones who previously voted Democratic but abstained this time, you have a total that easily exceeds Hillary’s popular vote margin of 2.8 million votes. Thus it may be honestly and correctly said that most American voters indeed chose not to vote for Hillary Clinton. I await your apologies, gentlemen. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-article-from-irelands-independent-about-trumps-victory/774535/48 "2016-12-18T07:21:48Z")
Your channeling of Trump-logic is quite impressive. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-article-from-irelands-independent-about-trumps-victory/774535/49 "2016-12-18T07:28:04Z")
“If we take this formula I just pulled out of my ass instead of actual existing numbers, Trump won both ways! Woooooo, Trump!” I’m actually kind of surprised that formula made it through the paper towel tube intact, actually. Although I suppose if you think Trump is going to make America great again (presumably by reverting America to the 1950s, as per SA’s usual bullshittery), it makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-article-from-irelands-independent-about-trumps-victory/774535/50 "2016-12-18T07:36:27Z")
“Since a rock must have rolled downhill somewhere in the US on November 8th, it was a landslide victory!” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-article-from-irelands-independent-about-trumps-victory/774535/51 "2016-12-18T10:34:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So when you add up the voters who voted for Donald Trump and then combine them with the ones who previously voted Republican but abstained this time, and then add to that amount the ones who previously voted Democratic but abstained this time, you have a total that easily exceeds Hillary’s popular vote margin of 2.8 million votes. Thus it may be honestly and correctly said that most American voters indeed chose not to vote for Hillary Clinton. You’re trying to debunk the claim that “most American voters preferred Clinton,” by counting the number of Americans who didn’t vote. This is remarkable, even by your standards. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-article-from-irelands-independent-about-trumps-victory/774535/52 "2016-12-18T12:32:36Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > City of Houston or the whole metro area? [Harris County, which is most of Greater Houston](https://www.texastribune.org/2016/11/11/harris-county-turned-blue/). And I was wrong about “30 states smaller”–using that list on Wikipedia strained my math abilities: > [@](#): > > Ending a streak of thin electoral margins, Harris County — the biggest battleground in ruby red Texas with a population larger than 25 other states — turned solidly blue on Tuesday with the largest presidential margin of victory in more than a decade. > > The blue wave was apparent up and down the ballot on a banner night for the county’s Democrats. > > They swept up every single countywide seat, including the district attorney and sheriff’s offices. They flipped a Texas House district in Pasadena. And with a presidential fight at the top of the ticket, Democrats shored up their lead in the fight for the typically purple county with Hillary Clinton beating Donald Trump by more than 160,000 votes — up from the 971 votes with which Obama took the county in 2012. [Even suburban Fort Bend County](http://abc13.com/politics/political-shift-in-ft-bend-leans-toward-clinton-/1599201/) (major metropolis: Sugarland), former stomping grounds of Tom “I can’t believe he’s not in jail” DeLay, went for Clinton. Although other Democrats on the ballot fared less well… > [@](#): > > …Fort Bend county didn’t vote Democrat in either election which President Obama won. Neither time. (County Judge Bob) Hebert sees the 2016 election as a clear rejection of Trump by GOP women and even some GOP men in Fort Bend. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-article-from-irelands-independent-about-trumps-victory/774535/53 "2016-12-18T20:28:57Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > [Harris County, which is most of Greater Houston](https://www.texastribune.org/2016/11/11/harris-county-turned-blue/). And I was wrong about “30 states smaller”–using that list on Wikipedia strained my math abilities: > > > [@](#): > > > > Ending a streak of thin electoral margins, Harris County — the biggest battleground in ruby red Texas with a population larger than 25 other states — turned solidly blue on Tuesday with the largest presidential margin of victory in more than a decade. > > > > The blue wave was apparent up and down the ballot on a banner night for the county’s Democrats. > > > > They swept up every single countywide seat, including the district attorney and sheriff’s offices. They flipped a Texas House district in Pasadena. And with a presidential fight at the top of the ticket, Democrats shored up their lead in the fight for the typically purple county with Hillary Clinton beating Donald Trump by more than 160,000 votes — up from the 971 votes with which Obama took the county in 2012. > > … But…that doesn’t fit the “Hillary Clinton Was a Terrible Candidate” narrative!!! How can you post something that contradicts the HCWATC narrative??!?!?!?? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-article-from-irelands-independent-about-trumps-victory/774535/54 "2016-12-18T21:52:01Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So when you add up the voters who voted for Donald Trump and then combine them with the ones who previously voted Republican but abstained this time, and then add to that amount the ones who previously voted Democratic but abstained this time, you have a total that easily exceeds Hillary’s popular vote margin of 2.8 million votes. Thus it may be honestly and correctly said that most American voters indeed chose not to vote for Hillary Clinton. That’s very careful phrasing! You could equally say that most American voters chose not to vote for Trump. IOW that’s a reach too far. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-article-from-irelands-independent-about-trumps-victory/774535/55 "2016-12-18T23:02:53Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > [Harris County, which is most of Greater Houston](https://www.texastribune.org/2016/11/11/harris-county-turned-blue/). And I was wrong about “30 states smaller”–using that list on Wikipedia strained my math abilities: > > [Even suburban Fort Bend County](http://abc13.com/politics/political-shift-in-ft-bend-leans-toward-clinton-/1599201/) (major metropolis: Sugarland), former stomping grounds of Tom “I can’t believe he’s not in jail” DeLay, went for Clinton. Although other Democrats on the ballot fared less well… Thanks for the clarification and the cites. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-article-from-irelands-independent-about-trumps-victory/774535/56 "2016-12-19T15:13:32Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, lemme 'splain. > > You had your voters who voted for Hillary. And you had your voters who voted for Trump. Popular vote wise - which as we all know is meaningless if we’ve been paying attention - Hillary has an edge of some 2.8 million. > > However, it’s been widely speculated that millions of previous Democrat voters stayed home this time because Hillary Clinton was such an unsavory candidate in so many ways. The same has been said for those who’d previously voted Republican but abstained this time because they likewise found Trump too unsavory to vote for. > > So when you add up the voters who voted for Donald Trump and then combine them with the ones who previously voted Republican but abstained this time, and then add to that amount the ones who previously voted Democratic but abstained this time, you have a total that easily exceeds Hillary’s popular vote margin of 2.8 million votes. Thus it may be honestly and correctly said that most American voters indeed chose not to vote for Hillary Clinton. > > I await your apologies, gentlemen. Of course you realize that this means that most American voters also chose not to vote for Trump, by an even wider margin? I’d await your apology, but I know I’ll never get one. Because inconvenient little things like facts don’t matter, do they? It’s all that lying, liberal media. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-article-from-irelands-independent-about-trumps-victory/774535.md?page=2)