# An Establishment Conservative’s Guide To The Alt-Right **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 3, 2016, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628 "2016-08-03T10:14:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/1 "2016-08-03T10:14:15Z")
Breitbart has an interesting article on the alt right [here](http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/). > [@](#): > > The alternative right, more commonly known as the alt-right, is an amorphous movement. Some — mostly Establishment types — insist it’s little more than a vehicle for the worst dregs of human society: anti-Semites, white supremacists, and other members of the Stormfront set. They’re wrong. I need to read it again, but it piqued my interest in helping me understand the American right. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/2 "2016-08-03T10:18:12Z")
> [@](#): > > The alternative right are a much smarter group of people — which perhaps suggests why the Left hates them so much. They’re dangerously bright. And that’s why they nominated Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/3 "2016-08-03T10:23:58Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And that’s why they nominated Trump. Well, they certainly outmaneuvered the Establishment types. Which makes the alt-right brighter than them. Which is why they’re dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/4 "2016-08-03T10:26:22Z")
OK. Take conservatives, throw out all but the youngest, hippest, brightest ones, and that’s the alt-right I guess? Oh, but also ignore the bigots hitching a ride on the coattails of all the hip memes and newfound spotlight. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/5 "2016-08-03T13:40:11Z")
“Milo Yiannopoulos is a senior editor for Breitbart.” – Also the guy who got banned from Twitter for a deluge of horrific racist and sexist comments towards a black actress, right? They left that part of out talking about how the Alt-Right is so brilliant and smart. Article reminds me of a David Frum piece I read yesterday which was actually [a letter sent to him](http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/trump-may-be-the-man-america-wants/494009/) from a Trump supporter. The gem was in this final paragraph: > [@](#): > > “Obviously, Trump appeals most strongly to millennial men. We feel masculine traits are devalued everywhere. It’s more than just, ‘Oh, the dad’s a jerk in commercials.’ **Rather like gay people a generation ago, young men today feel that they’re being treated as if they were born wrong.** We didn’t live through the Reagan years. We’ve never seen a man’s man in politics before. Trump offers a sense that someone sees them and cares about speaking to them, even if only as far as it takes to con them.” Bolding mine. Racists, misogynists, MRA advocates… but brilliant people, really. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/6 "2016-08-03T13:54:28Z")
A few of them ARE brilliant people. They’re the ones laughing the loudest at the rest of them. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/7 "2016-08-03T18:01:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Rather like gay people a generation ago, young men today feel that they’re being treated as if they were born wrong. That’s why they can feel The Donald’s pain at how the stress of business is just as bad as that of losing a son in combat. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/8 "2016-08-03T18:27:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Trump offers a sense that someone sees them and cares about speaking to them, even if only as far as it takes to con them. Its not about brains, its about feelings. They _feel_ Trump is speaking to them even when some of them know Trump is lying to them. They follow him simply because he tells them what they want to hear and they are ok with that. They have to be feared because in the civil war between Republicans, they are winning and have been for a few years, but luckily many of them are not smart enough to realize they can be baited easily. Speak up for women, mock MRAs, and say masculinity is overrated and they will fly off the handle. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/9 "2016-08-25T21:46:06Z")
Hillary Clinton just brought these people to national attention. > **[Clinton is attacking the 'Alt-Right' -- What is it? | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/25/politics/alt-right-explained-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/)** > > Previously confined to darker corners of the internet, the alt-right is moving into the spotlight. I think she did this to try and box Trump in. Trump seems to be trying to pivot to the center on immigration and race relations. I think what Trump is doing is not so much trying to appeal to Hispanic and black voters, but appealing to white voters who don’t want to vote for an overt racist but could be convinced to vote for someone who pretends not to be a racist. Clinton’s speech is an effort to preempt this strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/10 "2016-08-25T22:09:23Z")
It’s interesting how some conservatives, specifically those who never trusted Trump from the get go to govern sanely, let alone conservatively, actually seem to be taking a good close harsh look at the people who make up the core Republican constituency, especially since many of the ardent Trump fans have been lambasting them in their own special way. (Google Image search prominent National Review writer Jonah Goldberg for an example.) Reading RedState and NR, seeing them actually echo things liberals have been saying about some conservatives and conservative pundits and media sources (specifically the ones who jumped to support Trump) has been kind of hilarious. I kind of doubt it’ll lead to any sort of change in thinking, for them or the politicos, but it sure is a lot more hope than I’ve ever felt before. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/11 "2016-08-25T22:51:14Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Well, they certainly outmaneuvered the Establishment types. Which makes the alt-right brighter than them. Which is why they’re dangerous. Don’t you have to succeed in order to be a success? Getting Trump nominated is only a success if he wins the election. If not, the alt-right only out-maneuvered themselves and helped Hillary Clinton become President. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/12 "2016-08-25T23:42:39Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Don’t you have to succeed in order to be a success? . . . What I fear is that this is just foundation-building, and that they’re preparing the groundwork for future assaults. After all, Trump ran once before, and failed miserably. This time, he got the nomination. Next time, his successor might win. Movements can build, over time, and a movement like this could be extremely damaging to America and the world. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/13 "2016-08-25T23:49:23Z")
Perhaps this would be a good time to take a closer look at the OP’s article - it’s co-author, Milo Yiannopoulos, is being accused of scamming his followers out of charity donations. > **[Breitbart’s Milo Yiannopoulos accused of giving his “Privilege Grant” to …...](https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/08/18/breitbarts-milo-yiannopoulos-accused-of-giving-his-privilege-grant-to-himself/)** > > Milo Yiannopoulos’s “Privilege Grant” was announced with great fanfare back in January. The alleged college scholarship program, designed to tweak PC sensibilities by offering mon… Last January, Milo started a scholarship fund called the Privilege Grant. The scholarship was available purely to white males. They were going to start taking applications in the spring and then award scholarships of $2500 each starting with this fall semester. The director of the fund Instead, the “director” of this fund is now claiming that all the money was transferred to Milo’s personal business, Caligula Limited. As evidence, she tweeted a photo of the wire transfer instructions, which can be seen here - > The business, Caligula Limited, has since been dissolved. Where the money is now is anyone’s guess. Privilege Grant’s website has announced that they missed their deadline because: “The initial flurry of interest in the Privilege Grant, and my skyrocketing media profile, left us behind on logistics. This was compounded by our previous administrator leaving the team.” They have a new admin now, they say, and will begin a pilot program for the Spring Semester, with the full program kicking in next year. But I wouldn’t hold my breath. Dangerously bright! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/14 "2016-08-25T23:55:16Z")
Caligula? Better than Dracula, I suppose, but not by much. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/15 "2016-08-25T23:59:53Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > What I fear is that this is just foundation-building, and that they’re preparing the groundwork for future assaults. After all, Trump ran once before, and failed miserably. This time, he got the nomination. Next time, his successor might win. Movements can build, over time, and a movement like this could be extremely damaging to America and the world. No, I think this election shows that people like Trump are a dead end. The Republicans will go back to nominating people who might think the same as Trump but are willing to conceal it long enough to get elected. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/16 "2016-08-26T00:12:44Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Perhaps this would be a good time to take a closer look at the OP’s article - it’s co-author, Milo Yiannopoulos, is being accused of scamming his followers out of charity donations. > > [Breitbart’s Milo Yiannopoulos accused of giving his “Privilege Grant” to … himself – We Hunted The Mammoth](http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/08/18/breitbarts-milo-yiannopoulos-accused-of-giving-his-privilege-grant-to-himself/) > Last January, Milo started a scholarship fund called the Privilege Grant. The scholarship was available purely to white males. They were going to start taking applications in the spring and then award scholarships of $2500 each starting with this fall semester. The director of the fund > > Instead, the “director” of this fund is now claiming that all the money was transferred to Milo’s personal business, Caligula Limited. As evidence, she tweeted a photo of the wire transfer instructions, which can be seen here - > [x.com](https://twitter.com/MargaretsBelly/status/766017966995537925) > > The business, Caligula Limited, has since been dissolved. Where the money is now is anyone’s guess. > Privilege Grant’s website has announced that they missed their deadline because: > > “The initial flurry of interest in the Privilege Grant, and my skyrocketing media profile, left us behind on logistics. This was compounded by our previous administrator leaving the team.” > They have a new admin now, they say, and will begin a pilot program for the Spring Semester, with the full program kicking in next year. But I wouldn’t hold my breath. > > Dangerously bright! There’s something at once hilarious, poetic, and brilliant about scamming white supremacists in this way. I almost approve. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/17 "2016-08-26T00:38:54Z")
The only good thing about an organization filled with detestable people is that they are more than willing to turn on each other. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/18 "2016-08-26T04:12:07Z")
The SPLC has a good piece on the [Alt-Right](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/alternative-right). ---
**Author:** ![OwnRules](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea666f/32.png) [@OwnRules](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OwnRules)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/19 "2016-08-26T05:18:07Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > Hillary Clinton just brought these people to national attention. > > [http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/25/politics/alt-right-explained-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/](http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/25/politics/alt-right-explained-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/)… Interesting to note that CNN refers back to the very article that inspired the OP in order to explain the alt-right…with a sprinkling of criticism added. [**In late March, Breitbart published something close to a manifesto. Titled “An Establishment Conservative’s Guide To The Alt-Right”…**](http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/25/politics/alt-right-explained-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/) Both good reads. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628/20 "2016-08-26T05:36:05Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Well, they certainly outmaneuvered the Establishment types. Which makes the alt-right brighter than them. Which is why they’re dangerous. So…they’re clever but unwise, like baboons clever enough to fire battle rifles? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-establishment-conservative-s-guide-to-the-alt-right/761628.md?page=2)